Hayward has agreed to an offer with Hornets

[l Abach l]

My biggest concern with signing Hayward is the vision of the organization. I’ve yet to hear an explanation that calms my doubts. Let’s throw the facts out there:

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Last season was one of the worst seasons EVER as a jazz fan. The team was atrocious and unbearable to watch. No one was consistently performing throughout the year. How does signing a member of said team to a max deal help us going forward in our goal of contending for the title? I will use the AK47 reference as an example. The Jazz went from pretenders to contenders in the span of 2 years. TWO YEARS! In the 2004-2005 season, AK47 had a year of inflated stats as the versatile, #1 point forward option (Boozer was hurt that year and didn’t play), leading the jazz to a 26-56 record. What did the jazz do as a reward for one of the worst records in the NBA? They gave AK the max. (Any of this sound familiar??) The jazz draft a top prospect in D Will the following year (Just like we drafted Exum this year), and in the 2nd year of AK’s MAX contract, the Jazz were title contenders. It happened THAT fast. No one thought the jazz would be contenders that soon. And EVERYONE thought that AK would be leading the team following his max deal. NO ONE predicted his production to drop that fast, naturally turning into the #4 option on the team. During the following years, the jazz were always hamstringed by AK’s contract and didn’t have flexibility to acquire necessary pieces to get over the hump. Who is to say that in two years the jazz aren’t title contenders? Who is to say that G Time doesn’t organically become the team’s 3rd or 4th option again? The jazz aren’t winning a title with Gordon as a #1 option, so why match? Why is letting him go and waiting a bad idea? If we let AK go that year, it wouldn’t have hurt us… Shouldn’t we be doing everything to help us win a title? Can someone help me feel better about my concern?

 

[bigmike]

Has Gordo signed the offer sheet yet? I heard Parsons did but haven't seen anything on GH making if offish.

 

[Kenwood]

Technically, DL can still work a separate deal with Charlotte with the agreement not to match. Charlotte gives up assets (whatever they might be), and gets the added benefit of not paying Hayward the higher S&T salaries.

But admittedly that's a very remote possibility.

Can't do this any more. See Larry Coon FAQ #44, near the bottom of the section. Paragraph starts "There can be no compensation..."

 

[JAZZGASM]

Interesting SI article on Gordon:

https://www.si.com/nba/2014/07/09/gordon-hayward-utah-jazz-charlotte-hornets-nba-free-agency

 

[Stickler]

AK contract prevented us from making and more deals to bring another player in after we signed Booz and Memo. We had no flexibility at all.

Lastly, you are making a huge assumption that Hayward will want to take a pay cut. So we rent Hayward for four year while the team is rebuilding and then he walks because we have to pay him another contract.

Which player was available, who wanted to come to Utah, that the Kirilenko contract prevented us from getting?

I'm not making any assumptions about Hayward wanting to take a paycut. If you read my post, you'll see that I was projecting what the market will be like for Hayward in four years. That's what is going to determine his next contract.

 

[baka98]

Interesting SI article on Gordon:

https://www.si.com/nba/2014/07/09/gordon-hayward-utah-jazz-charlotte-hornets-nba-free-agency

Nice find. This is what I've been trying to say for a while. I think a lot of Hayward's issues were with the lack of offensive Corbin could come up with. He had no tempo, no plays, no vision. It was basically create your own shot and shoot. I think Hayward thrives in Snyder's O.

 

[mellow]

What the agent said....
Hawyard's agent -"There’s never been any bad blood with the Jazz, and there have always been good-faith negotiations," from @Aaron Falk

What some Jazzfanz heard...
Hawyard's agent -"There’s never been any good-faith negotiations with the Jazz, and there has always been bad blood" from @Aaron Falk


What the agent really meant...
Dude, would you rather have 6% of 11 million per or 6% of 15 million per? Me too.

 

[fishonjazz]

Hayward, whether he goes or stays, will be due for a massive paycut.

Good post except for the part i quoted.

Hayward will actually be due for a pay raise and will probably get overpaid again by us or someone else

 

[fishonjazz]

How do yall feel in-general about 'the Market' setting prices??

I for one am not a fan, though im a staunch believer that things are worth what people will pay for them.

My biggest issue is, if the market is overpaying everyone, why participate at-all ?

Is there something pressing? (the playoffs? need to fill seats?)

Knowing when to take your chips off the table is probably more important than getting the chips in the first place.

This is how i feel

 

[Stifle Tower]

@mellow
I thought Hayward's agent was Mark Bartlestein.

 

[mellow]

@mellow
I thought Hayward's agent was Mark Bartlestein.

Yea, your right he is. So the joke doesn't make sense because 1- Bartlestein would never say "dude", and 2- he would never accept anything less than 10%.

 

[franklin]

Lol at Burks getting that much money.

The most he will be offered by anyone is 10 million, and that is high-balling it.

I would be surprised at anything beyond the MLE after this season, unless he learns to facilitate (a low probability). 3 & D can make hay, facilitators can make hay, but pure scorers without an outside shot don't.

Burks' agent knows this and will try to work an overpriced extension for Burks in the $7-8mm/yr range between now and Oct. 31st, but I doubt the Jazz see much priority in locking him up at all, and roll the dice.