Hayward hurt again
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I mean, the Boston situation was rather fraught with a freak injury and a talent logjam that didn't wait for him.
He's playing really good, efficient basketball, and that's just the fact. Only the Lebrons of the world can drag a bad team to prominence. Hayward would be a terrific 2nd/3rd option somewhere, it's just that in Boston, he didn't know if he was 2nd or 5th and I think his teammates didn't like him or his teacher's pet status. Who could blame them?
There is plenty of room for nuance with Hayward, who while being a terrific basketball player, is also a wildly insecure turd.
It's really frustrating thinking how good Utah could have been these last 4 years if Hayward stayed.
rjfan
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Yeah, at the end of the day he's really good and been unlucky and ended up on a situation that weren't helping him
I still enjoy that he ended up in Charlotte to end his prime playing to make MJ's team draft picks worse tho
rjfan
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Even more If we consider that in Quin's playbook there weren't lobs thrown at congested paints where he'd get sandwiched between defenders (pure unlucky and something that should be considered as a really unfortunate consequence of players still getting to know each others and a new system, but that wouldn't be the case here), normally we did It with him running into the space behind defenders, eventually coming of some off ball screen (as we used some to Mitchell too, after he left).
I mean, freak injuries can happen whenever, for any stupid and unlucky reason, like TJ Warren flying over Exum's head, or both Rudy minor knee sprains that could've easily been worse, either when Waiters threw himself into his leg challenging for a loose ball, or when Faves lost balance disputing a rebound and fell into Rudy, but the way It happened with Hayward, i'd have a hard time seeing It happening here
Not to mention I would not have put a voodoo curse on him if he had stayed...
Yeah the rough thing is that Hayward as a player is exactly what we need in that role. A Hayward type player on this team vaults us into the upper echelon, no one would stand a chance.
But Hayward the "person" can go **** himself. I am glad to see he will whither and die as the "best" player on a ****** team to end his career.
But Hayward the "person" can go **** himself. I am glad to see he will whither and die as the "best" player on a ****** team to end his career.
homeytennis
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I saw an interesting story when he opted out from the Celtics and he had four or five suitors all Eastern Conference teams. He said he wanted to go to a "family" atmosphere where he was wanted. WTF did he have here? Did we need to buy more bill boards?
He can't change the past and he knows he burned bridges here (he might not have as many regrets as he maybe should considering how much spite he received from Jazz nation in the wake of his dog-**** move). He is looking to find the next best thing to what he had here, and that's honestly kinda sad.
He is the exact piece that this team could use. Even his quiet personality would do well here, and his lack of leadership wouldn't be as glaring since Donovan and Rudy do a good job of that (despite or perhaps because they are opposite styles; one is vocal and positive, the other leads more quietly by maintaining accountability).
JimLes
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I often think about how players are so concerned about their legacies. I mean, I get it. Your career is maybe 10-15 years and retirement might be 50+ years. Something has to sustain you (emotionally and psychologically) after the curtain comes down. That's why players are so desperate for rings today and why someone like KD has burner accounts on social media so he can defend himself against random incels and neckbeards.
What I think often gets overlooked is a sense of "home." When your career is over, where can you return? Where will fans still adore you and pay to listen to your stories? Where can you count on being given an entry-level coaching job if you want to go down that route? Where might your number hang from the rafters? All this becomes more important the further you get from your last game as a pro.
Why has Deron tried to mend fences lately? Why is he appearing on podcasts(he's loving the current Jazz team btw) and talking about the Jazz? Why does he suddenly care? I mean, he played less than half of his career here. Well, more than half in terms of games because injuries struck hard after he left, but in terms of seasons played. He played in the Finals with Cleveland and he was an All-Star in New Jersey. Why isn't he going around those places trying to be a hanger-on? Because of course, no one cares in those places. The only places he could conceivably make "home" is in Utah. Had he stayed, his number would be retired. Did you know that the Jazz have more numbers retired than the Knicks? I have a feeling #15 will be up there in a few years as well, and I really hope to see #47 up there as well. I know some people will disagree. Did you also know that only one player to have played for the Knicks in the past 40 years is among those nine numbers the Knicks have retired? It's not like the Knicks haven't had star players since.
When it's all said and done, where is "home" going to be for Hayward? Where will pictures like this one happen for him?
You think Boston media will seek him out to get his opinion on the struggles of the 2029/30 Celtics team? Will the Hornets even be in Charlotte by then? I know Hayward is not a HoFer or anything, but he was a one-time All-Star and at his peak was a good player. Where will he come back to, though?
Hell, Carmelo is probably going to the HoF and is currently 14th in all-time points scored in the NBA. He may just crack top 10 by the end of this season. He's very likely to end his career and not have his number retired anywhere. Think about that for a second. Top 10 of all time in scoring and no team retires your number. I really don't think the Nuggets do it because of the way he left and everything that happened. The Knicks? I mean, he won 7 playoff games for them, and if they haven't retired other numbers except Ewing's in 40 years, I don't think they retire his.
Who knows how things might have played out if Hayward stayed here. Maybe we have the same team with Hayward instead of Bojan. Maybe Don doesn't quite develop the same way. Maybe we trade him and picks for a one year rental of a disgruntled superstar and make a push for the title. Who knows. There are two things I do know, however. He's not on the court against the Cavs on Oct 17 2017 and never gets tangled with Jae Crowder. The other one is that 5-6 years from now his number is up at the arena and the media always precedes his name with "former Jazz star." And I think as he gets older, he may regret this not happening in the way Deron is regretting it right now.
What I think often gets overlooked is a sense of "home." When your career is over, where can you return? Where will fans still adore you and pay to listen to your stories? Where can you count on being given an entry-level coaching job if you want to go down that route? Where might your number hang from the rafters? All this becomes more important the further you get from your last game as a pro.
Why has Deron tried to mend fences lately? Why is he appearing on podcasts(he's loving the current Jazz team btw) and talking about the Jazz? Why does he suddenly care? I mean, he played less than half of his career here. Well, more than half in terms of games because injuries struck hard after he left, but in terms of seasons played. He played in the Finals with Cleveland and he was an All-Star in New Jersey. Why isn't he going around those places trying to be a hanger-on? Because of course, no one cares in those places. The only places he could conceivably make "home" is in Utah. Had he stayed, his number would be retired. Did you know that the Jazz have more numbers retired than the Knicks? I have a feeling #15 will be up there in a few years as well, and I really hope to see #47 up there as well. I know some people will disagree. Did you also know that only one player to have played for the Knicks in the past 40 years is among those nine numbers the Knicks have retired? It's not like the Knicks haven't had star players since.
When it's all said and done, where is "home" going to be for Hayward? Where will pictures like this one happen for him?
You think Boston media will seek him out to get his opinion on the struggles of the 2029/30 Celtics team? Will the Hornets even be in Charlotte by then? I know Hayward is not a HoFer or anything, but he was a one-time All-Star and at his peak was a good player. Where will he come back to, though?
Hell, Carmelo is probably going to the HoF and is currently 14th in all-time points scored in the NBA. He may just crack top 10 by the end of this season. He's very likely to end his career and not have his number retired anywhere. Think about that for a second. Top 10 of all time in scoring and no team retires your number. I really don't think the Nuggets do it because of the way he left and everything that happened. The Knicks? I mean, he won 7 playoff games for them, and if they haven't retired other numbers except Ewing's in 40 years, I don't think they retire his.
Who knows how things might have played out if Hayward stayed here. Maybe we have the same team with Hayward instead of Bojan. Maybe Don doesn't quite develop the same way. Maybe we trade him and picks for a one year rental of a disgruntled superstar and make a push for the title. Who knows. There are two things I do know, however. He's not on the court against the Cavs on Oct 17 2017 and never gets tangled with Jae Crowder. The other one is that 5-6 years from now his number is up at the arena and the media always precedes his name with "former Jazz star." And I think as he gets older, he may regret this not happening in the way Deron is regretting it right now.
Beautifully put.I often think about how players are so concerned about their legacies. I mean, I get it. Your career is maybe 10-15 years and retirement might be 50+ years. Something has to sustain you (emotionally and psychologically) after the curtain comes down. That's why players are so desperate for rings today and why someone like KD has burner accounts on social media so he can defend himself against random incels and neckbeards.
What I think often gets overlooked is a sense of "home." When your career is over, where can you return? Where will fans still adore you and pay to listen to your stories? Where can you count on being given an entry-level coaching job if you want to go down that route? Where might your number hang from the rafters? All this becomes more important the further you get from your last game as a pro.
Why has Deron tried to mend fences lately? Why is he appearing on podcasts(he's loving the current Jazz team btw) and talking about the Jazz? Why does he suddenly care? I mean, he played less than half of his career here. Well, more than half in terms of games because injuries struck hard after he left, but in terms of seasons played. He played in the Finals with Cleveland and he was an All-Star in New Jersey. Why isn't he going around those places trying to be a hanger-on? Because of course, no one cares in those places. The only places he could conceivably make "home" is in Utah. Had he stayed, his number would be retired. Did you know that the Jazz have more numbers retired than the Knicks? I have a feeling #15 will be up there in a few years as well, and I really hope to see #47 up there as well. I know some people will disagree. Did you also know that only one player to have played for the Knicks in the past 40 years is among those nine numbers the Knicks have retired? It's not like the Knicks haven't had star players since.
When it's all said and done, where is "home" going to be for Hayward? Where will pictures like this one happen for him?
You think Boston media will seek him out to get his opinion on the struggles of the 2029/30 Celtics team? Will the Hornets even be in Charlotte by then? I know Hayward is not a HoFer or anything, but he was a one-time All-Star and at his peak was a good player. Where will he come back to, though?
Hell, Carmelo is probably going to the HoF and is currently 14th in all-time points scored in the NBA. He may just crack top 10 by the end of this season. He's very likely to end his career and not have his number retired anywhere. Think about that for a second. Top 10 of all time in scoring and no team retires your number. I really don't think the Nuggets do it because of the way he left and everything that happened. The Knicks? I mean, he won 7 playoff games for them, and if they haven't retired other numbers except Ewing's in 40 years, I don't think they retire his.
Who knows how things might have played out if Hayward stayed here. Maybe we have the same team with Hayward instead of Bojan. Maybe Don doesn't quite develop the same way. Maybe we trade him and picks for a one year rental of a disgruntled superstar and make a push for the title. Who knows. There are two things I do know, however. He's not on the court against the Cavs on Oct 17 2017 and never gets tangled with Jae Crowder. The other one is that 5-6 years from now his number is up at the arena and the media always precedes his name with "former Jazz star." And I think as he gets older, he may regret this not happening in the way Deron is regretting it right now.
I don't know where else to put this, but I think Mitchell would've developed into a better player in the long run if Hayward stayed, even though his rise wouldn't have been as meteoric. I don't think him having the greenest of lights from day 1 has necessarily aided in the development of his basketball acumen or maybe even his skills, but picking his spots early and filling in whatever gap that needed filling to win games probably would have. Hell, filling gaps is exactly why he started with the green light that he did.
homeytennis
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Speaking of Stock his son Michael was Euro player of the week as he scored 34 points on 14-17 shooting in a game.I often think about how players are so concerned about their legacies. I mean, I get it. Your career is maybe 10-15 years and retirement might be 50+ years. Something has to sustain you (emotionally and psychologically) after the curtain comes down. That's why players are so desperate for rings today and why someone like KD has burner accounts on social media so he can defend himself against random incels and neckbeards.
What I think often gets overlooked is a sense of "home." When your career is over, where can you return? Where will fans still adore you and pay to listen to your stories? Where can you count on being given an entry-level coaching job if you want to go down that route? Where might your number hang from the rafters? All this becomes more important the further you get from your last game as a pro.
Why has Deron tried to mend fences lately? Why is he appearing on podcasts(he's loving the current Jazz team btw) and talking about the Jazz? Why does he suddenly care? I mean, he played less than half of his career here. Well, more than half in terms of games because injuries struck hard after he left, but in terms of seasons played. He played in the Finals with Cleveland and he was an All-Star in New Jersey. Why isn't he going around those places trying to be a hanger-on? Because of course, no one cares in those places. The only places he could conceivably make "home" is in Utah. Had he stayed, his number would be retired. Did you know that the Jazz have more numbers retired than the Knicks? I have a feeling #15 will be up there in a few years as well, and I really hope to see #47 up there as well. I know some people will disagree. Did you also know that only one player to have played for the Knicks in the past 40 years is among those nine numbers the Knicks have retired? It's not like the Knicks haven't had star players since.
When it's all said and done, where is "home" going to be for Hayward? Where will pictures like this one happen for him?
You think Boston media will seek him out to get his opinion on the struggles of the 2029/30 Celtics team? Will the Hornets even be in Charlotte by then? I know Hayward is not a HoFer or anything, but he was a one-time All-Star and at his peak was a good player. Where will he come back to, though?
Hell, Carmelo is probably going to the HoF and is currently 14th in all-time points scored in the NBA. He may just crack top 10 by the end of this season. He's very likely to end his career and not have his number retired anywhere. Think about that for a second. Top 10 of all time in scoring and no team retires your number. I really don't think the Nuggets do it because of the way he left and everything that happened. The Knicks? I mean, he won 7 playoff games for them, and if they haven't retired other numbers except Ewing's in 40 years, I don't think they retire his.
Who knows how things might have played out if Hayward stayed here. Maybe we have the same team with Hayward instead of Bojan. Maybe Don doesn't quite develop the same way. Maybe we trade him and picks for a one year rental of a disgruntled superstar and make a push for the title. Who knows. There are two things I do know, however. He's not on the court against the Cavs on Oct 17 2017 and never gets tangled with Jae Crowder. The other one is that 5-6 years from now his number is up at the arena and the media always precedes his name with "former Jazz star." And I think as he gets older, he may regret this not happening in the way Deron is regretting it right now.
JimLes
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To continue on this topic I've raised, a few great articles and a few points.
www.deseret.com
archive.sltrib.com
www.nba.com
1. I thought this when I saw him at a Jazz game a year ago, but damn, Memo grew into his looks. A huge part is the full beard as opposed to that goofy goatee, but right now he looks like he could still rain threes over NBA defenders and then take all their womens home after.
2. Sounds like a call from the Jazz made Ben Poquette's year, let alone day. Super cool from the team to be contacting Jazzmen of bygone years.
3. I'm too young to have seen Darrell Griffith play, but his injury is one of the bigger what ifs of the Jazz history. He's also an absolute legend.
4. I like how Felton Spencer came out for some Jazz alumni events. Here's an interesting tidbit. 29% of his career regular season games were with the Jazz. 94% of his career playoff games were with the Jazz. Yeah, he probably wishes he could forget playing for the other teams. Baaaad times.
Former Jazz All-Star Mehmet Okur says Utah still ‘feels like home’
Okur relives the Jazz's 2007 run to the Western Conference Finals and weighs in on this year's red-hot team.
www.deseret.com
Utah Jazz: With alumni program, Jazz making team's past part of its future
The phone call surprised the manager of the pharmacy in Grand Rapids, Mich., almost as much as
archive.sltrib.com
Darrell Griffith to Make Jazz Alumni Appearance
The Utah Jazz announced today that Jazz alumnus Darrell Griffith will make an appearance on Friday, Feb. 23 as the team takes on the Portland Trail Blazers in its first game back from the All-Star Break.
www.nba.com
1. I thought this when I saw him at a Jazz game a year ago, but damn, Memo grew into his looks. A huge part is the full beard as opposed to that goofy goatee, but right now he looks like he could still rain threes over NBA defenders and then take all their womens home after.
2. Sounds like a call from the Jazz made Ben Poquette's year, let alone day. Super cool from the team to be contacting Jazzmen of bygone years.
3. I'm too young to have seen Darrell Griffith play, but his injury is one of the bigger what ifs of the Jazz history. He's also an absolute legend.
4. I like how Felton Spencer came out for some Jazz alumni events. Here's an interesting tidbit. 29% of his career regular season games were with the Jazz. 94% of his career playoff games were with the Jazz. Yeah, he probably wishes he could forget playing for the other teams. Baaaad times.
Word.
And I know this is pure fantasy, but it would be incredible if he was finally both healthy and motivated and shocked the world by coming back and leading the garbage time unit on a championship team.
DasJazz
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I want this to happen on so many levels!