Hayward > Kirilenko

[The Midnight]

It's amazing how this board has turned into a Hayward fanclub overnight. So few people here gave him a chance. So many bashed the pick, and thought a few sketchy performances backed up their opinion early in the season. He's had a few good games, and suddenly he's the ****ing messiah.

*nodding head* ... totally TOTALLY agree with this comment.

 

[Nate505]

I wasn't for the Jazz drafting Hayward (thought they should have drafted Aldrich or Henry instead), but I had this wild and crazy thought when Hayward got drafted:

Let's see how the kid does in his rookie and second year before he gets bashed too much. I know, I know, a far out there thought. I still think that, although with the amount of hate the kid got around here I'm now a big fan of his. It was easy to see he had skills, even when his shot was sucking it up. It was a far cry from Morris Almond who just looked absolutely lost on the court when he wasn't shooting.

 

[LogGrad98]

It would clear up minute issues, as Kapono would not be expected to get very many minutes. This would give us an above average perimeter player in Iguodala to complement the rest of the starters and take pressure of Deron. We would be a very formidable team. Depth Chart:

PG: Deron Williams, Earl Watson, Ronnie Price
SG: Andre Iguodala, Ronnie Price, Jason Kapono
SF: Gordon Hayward, C.J. Miles, Jeremy Evans
PF: Paul Millsap, Mehmet Okur, Jeremy Evans/Francisco Elson
C: Al Jefferson, Kyrylo Fesenko, Francisco Elson

I think this would be decent, at least we get something solid back for AK, and I think it makes us better in the long run. Why would Philly do it other than AK's expiring? I don't know maybe that would be enough.

Frankly I am not that big a fan of Iguodala. And isn't he more of a wing than a 2? But if he can play the 2 solidly he would be an upgrade over Bell.

 

[Lost_Jazz_Fan]

So anyone gonna argue with me that Hayward isn't an NBA caliber athlete anymore?

Nope, I've liked him all along. I think it's funny how everyone loves Hayward now that he's stringed a few good games together though. The guy seemed to have the worst luck in the world the first 30 games of the season, nothing seemed to go right no matter how hard he tried. All of a sudden he gets a few things to go his way, gets his confidence going and voila, he's a contributer! I'm excited.

 

[DutchJazzer]

How about this trade?

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Utah Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +2.1 ppg, +0.4 rpg, and +2.1 apg.

Incoming Players
Andre Iguodala
6-6 SF from Arizona
14.5 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 4.5 apg in 30.8 minutes
Jason Kapono
6-8 SF from UCLA
7.0 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 2.0 apg in 18.7 minutes
Outgoing Players
Andrei Kirilenko
6-9 SF from Russia (Foreign)
11.1 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 2.9 apg in 32.6 minutes
Raja Bell
6-5 SG from Florida International
8.3 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 1.5 apg in 29.9 minutes

Philadelphia Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -2.1 ppg, -0.4 rpg, and -2.1 apg.

Incoming Players
Andrei Kirilenko
6-9 SF from Russia (Foreign)
11.1 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 2.9 apg in 32.6 minutes
Raja Bell
6-5 SG from Florida International
8.3 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 1.5 apg in 29.9 minutes
Outgoing Players
Andre Iguodala
6-6 SF from Arizona
14.5 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 4.5 apg in 30.8 minutes
Jason Kapono
6-8 SF from UCLA
7.0 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 2.0 apg in 18.7 minutes

It would clear up minute issues, as Kapono would not be expected to get very many minutes. This would give us an above average perimeter player in Iguodala to complement the rest of the starters and take pressure of Deron. We would be a very formidable team. Depth Chart:

PG: Deron Williams, Earl Watson, Ronnie Price
SG: Andre Iguodala, Ronnie Price, Jason Kapono
SF: Gordon Hayward, C.J. Miles, Jeremy Evans
PF: Paul Millsap, Mehmet Okur, Jeremy Evans/Francisco Elson
C: Al Jefferson, Kyrylo Fesenko, Francisco Elson

lets not take kapono. isn't carolina jazz who has a fetish for him.
we already have honz with his fetish for hayward.

 

[LifeOnaPlate]

I am mildly excited about Hayward too but a completely healthy and active AK is something totally different. I think the real Hayward will be completely revealed only next season although he is coming along fine.

Thanks for speaking some sense into the thread.

 

[LifeOnaPlate]

AK is just too disinterested anymore.

Again, ridiculous. Go re-watch the Memphis game. AK only played 18 minutes, but they were all active minutes. He didn't stand around, he was active on defense and he was running through the routes on offense, play after play even without touching the ball. He set people up for good lay-ups (2 of which were missed) and remains one of the best passers on the team.

 

[chawx]

Again, ridiculous. Go re-watch the Memphis game. AK only played 18 minutes, but they were all active minutes. He didn't stand around, he was active on defense and he was running through the routes on offense, play after play even without touching the ball. He set people up for good lay-ups (2 of which were missed) and remains the highest paid player on the team by far and should be an all-star every year for how much he gets paid.

fixed

 

[LifeOnaPlate]

fixed

It's pretty obvious even to the most dedicated AK homer that he is overpaid. I never suggested otherwise. In most posts when I talk about AK I include the money caveat to anticipate the most common objection, which is about money, when it comes to AK. Like this from yesterday:

I just watched the first quarter again. AK was very active, put up 2 ill-advised shots although they were not forced. He also set up both Williams and Millsap for easy layups which they missed. Put those 2 very easy layups in and AK would have had 6 rather than 4 assists. He was crashing the boards, playing help defense, etc. His stat line (especially FG%) doesn't look very good, but people who were freaking out in chat were going overboard. Of course AK isn't worth what he's paid right now, no question. Also, he seems to have this back problem at least once a season. Still, considering that he is coming back from injury, and that the injury is still affecting him, he did fine. AK wasn't the problem last night. All the criticism directed his way last night wasn't quite balanced with what actually happened in the game, IMO.

see https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php...emphis-7pm-MT...FSR-UT-KFNZ&p=90913#post90913

AK is way overpaid? No kidding. Tell me something I didn't know. That has nothing to do with the criticisms to which I was responding, which is that AK "looks disinterested." It's simply not accurate. Better luck next time.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

I think it's way premature to conclude Hayward > AK. While I like Hayward and think he'll be a solid pro in the end, AK, when he plays with passion (admittedly not always) is quite good and potential difference maker. BUT, if Hayward continues to improve, I'm all for unloading AK before the trade deadline for cap relief and maybe picking up a good complementary player or two. I don't see AK having a LT future with the Jazz after this season in any case. Could be wrong, though.

 

[Deleted member 365]

I think it's way premature to conclude Hayward > AK. While I like Hayward and think he'll be a solid pro in the end, AK, when he plays with passion (which is almost never) is quite good and potential difference maker. BUT, if Hayward continues to improve, I'm all for unloading AK before the trade deadline for cap relief and maybe picking up a good complementary player or two. I don't see AK having a future with the Jazz after this season in any case. Could be wrong, though.

Fixed for ya.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

Fixed for ya.

That's what I pay ya for.