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ElRoach0 said:
Sure.

1. This is the NBA
2. NBA select/maybe team USA
3. All around player
4. You didn't specify that it had to be max money
5. Rumors already circulating from Phoenix and Boston

Did I mention Franklin owns a Vietnamese sweat shop?
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So, you are Boston. You have your eye on Hayward. You offer him a max deal. You sit around for three days, while Utah shops around and looks at replacements for Hayward. Three days later, you miss out on a couple of other FA and Utah matches Hayward. What did you accomplish?

You didn't get your guy.

You didn't screw Utah over.

You might have lost out on other FA's.

So, what did that accomplish? Why would other teams offer Hayward a contract? What RFA's received offers this past summer? Evans? Uh, why did he get an offer? Maybe because Sac didn't want him anymore?

Big difference.

I still highly, highly doubt Hayward even gets an offer this summer.
 
green said:
So, you are Boston. You have your eye on Hayward. You offer him a max deal. You sit around for three days, while Utah shops around and looks at replacements for Hayward. Three days later, you miss out on a couple of other FA and Utah matches Hayward. What did you accomplish?

You didn't get your guy.

You didn't screw Utah over.

You might have lost out on other FA's.

So, what did that accomplish? Why would other teams offer Hayward a contract? What RFA's received offers this past summer? Evans? Uh, why did he get an offer? Maybe because Sac didn't want him anymore?

Big difference.

I still highly, highly doubt Hayward even gets an offer this summer.
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That's cool. We'll talk again in October.
 
So, you are Boston. You have your eye on Hayward. You offer him a max deal. You sit around for three days, while Utah shops around and looks at replacements for Hayward. Three days later, you miss out on a couple of other FA and Utah matches Hayward. What did you accomplish?

You didn't get your guy.

You didn't screw Utah over.

You might have lost out on other FA's.

So, what did that accomplish? Why would other teams offer Hayward a contract? What RFA's received offers this past summer? Evans? Uh, why did he get an offer? Maybe because Sac didn't want him anymore?

Big difference.

I still highly, highly doubt Hayward even gets an offer this summer.
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This happened to the Jazz on a couple of occasions.
 
sojodave said:
This happened to the Jazz on a couple of occasions.
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It certainly did. Lakers went after Hibbert, IIRC, because there was some ? whether Indiana would match. Portlnd signed Millsap to an offer sheet, even after Utah had made it clear they would match any reasonable offer. And in that case, Portland even tried to include a poison pill of a ton of money up front, expecting the Millers to have cash flow problems.

I don't think it unreasonable to expect a team to offer Hayward a contract. We may even hear numbers floated around as a trial balloon to judge Utah's reaction. If Hayward ends up in a different city, I really think it will be via a sign-and-trade. Utah will not let an asset like Gordon go for absolutely no return (and no, this is NOTHING like allowing Boozer, Millsap and Jefferson to walk). That was salary cap room the Jazz WANTED to free up. They have no such monetary restraints with Hayward.
 
Other thing to consider is that Boston would have to free up some cap space to make an offer. Even with Humphries coming off the books, they still have a ton of $ committed to Rondo, Wallace, Green, Bass and Bogans. They have about $52M in contracts > 1 yr., not counting cap holds they would have for picks, etc.

I don't think Boston is a serious threat to sign Hayward. Phoenix might be. Okafor (or Gasol if they trade for him) comes off the books and that leaves them around $20M in cap space. They could easily offer Hayward a deal and re-sign Bledsoe.
 
Zombie said:
I've noticed quite a bit more Hayward hate in the fandom recently as well as seen his name mentioned more often in trade scenarios and what not, and it's left me a bit befuddled. Earlier this year Hayward gambled that his play this season would make the next step and he would earn a big pay day. Most, I believe, have seen that has not been the case and Hayward will probably end up signing for closer to what the Jazz were offering than to what he was asking for. While it's a bummer he is probably not going to become a great player, he is still a good player we'll probably get at a good price.
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Is Hayward that impressive when you compare him against guys with similar minutes? Hayward is currently 13th in minutes played. There's only about 5 guys in the Top 50 who score less, and all of those guys play less minutes.

Hayward's per game numbers this year are inflated. On a good team with better players, he might be more efficient but all his averages would come down. That's because a good team would not ever have Hayward handling the ball as much as he does.
 
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