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The Thriller said:
Weird. Here she is defending Russia’s invading of Ukraine.
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Serious question: Are you just trying to be edgy or is that really the way your brain processes information?

Tulsi is clearly saying that Putin is posturing to get leverage into getting a guarantee that Ukraine won't be allowed into NATO. Her proposed solution is to give Putin that guarantee. She believes that if Putin gets what he wants then it is mission accomplished for him and everyone goes home. That is her idea to avoid an invasion. I'm not saying it is correct but that certainly is what she is advocating for in these clips.

You hear her idea on stopping any escalation into what may become an invasion and somehow it gets jumbled around and reworked in your brain to mean "she is defending Russia’s invading of Ukraine". If you were trying to come up with some interpretation for a gotcha that completely missed the mark, then fine. No one is on all the time. However if you truly believe what you just wrote then it explains a lot. Did you mean what you wrote there?
 
Al-O-Meter said:
Serious question: Are you just trying to be edgy or is that really the way your brain processes information?

Tulsi is clearly saying that Putin is posturing to get leverage into getting a guarantee that Ukraine won't be allowed into NATO. Her proposed solution is to give Putin that guarantee. She believes that if Putin gets what he wants then it is mission accomplished for him and everyone goes home. That is her idea to avoid an invasion. I'm not saying it is correct but that certainly is what she is advocating for in these clips.

You hear her idea on stopping any escalation into what may become an invasion and somehow it gets jumbled around and reworked in your brain to mean "she is defending Russia’s invading of Ukraine". If you were trying to come up with some interpretation for a gotcha that completely missed the mark, then fine. No one is on all the time. However if you truly believe what you just wrote then it explains a lot. Did you mean what you wrote there?
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Three things there:

1. Putin’s issue isn’t with NATO, but with democracy. He’s invaded other countries and killed off dissidents living in other countries regardless of NATO. He already invaded back in 2014 and it had nothing to do with NATO. Right? Even if Ukraine were to join NATO, it doesn’t justify his invasion of it. Putin is in the wrong here and only he can de-escalate it. We aren’t the ones escalating the situation, Putin is.
2. I’m really tired of some people putin politicians and talking heads Defending Putin and blaming the west. We need to stop appeasing one of the world’s worst dictators. And absolutely I believe Tulsi is a tool for Putin. She consistently takes his side of things and it’s been that way for about 5 years now.
3. Our options are limited. Which is why the west should provide Ukraine with as much hardware as they can and then sanction the **** out of Russia if they pursue this course.
 
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The Thriller said:
Three things there:

1. Putin’s issue isn’t with NATO, but with democracy. He’s invaded other countries and killed off dissidents living in other countries regardless of NATO. He already invaded back in 2014 and it had nothing to do with NATO. Right? Even if Ukraine were to join NATO, it doesn’t justify his invasion of it. Putin is in the wrong here and only he can de-escalate it. We aren’t the ones escalating the situation, Putin is.
2. I’m really tired of some people putin politicians and talking heads Defending Putin and blaming the west. We need to stop appeasing one of the world’s worst dictators. And absolutely I believe Tulsi is a tool for Putin. She consistently takes his side of things and it’s been that way for about 5 years now.
3. Our options are limited. Which is why the west should provide Ukraine with as much hardware as they can and then sanction the **** out of Russia if they pursue this course.
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It has A LOT to do with NATO. If Ukraine was in NATO then NATO would be obligated to respond to aggressive and/or hostile acts against Ukraine with more than sanctions.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
Tulsi is clearly saying that Putin is posturing to get leverage into getting a guarantee that Ukraine won't be allowed into NATO. Her proposed solution is to give Putin that guarantee. She believes that if Putin gets what he wants then it is mission accomplished for him and everyone goes home. That is her idea to avoid an invasion. I'm not saying it is correct but that certainly is what she is advocating for in these clips.
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This is her idea to avoid an invasion tomorrow. That's the key thing here. Putin is asking for a guarantee that NATO will not defend Ukraine when Russia decides to invade it again.

It's not some huge leap of logic to suggest that the reason Russia wants Ukraine out of NATO so it can at some point invade it with impudence. Saying "give Putin what he wants" is supporting him invading Ukraine, whichever way you'd like to spin it.
 
JimLes said:
It's not some huge leap of logic to suggest that the reason Russia wants Ukraine out of NATO so it can at some point invade it with impudence.
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I think Putin would perform this invasion with maximal politeness, personally, if also with impunity.
 
Gameface said:
It has A LOT to do with NATO. If Ukraine was in NATO then NATO would be obligated to respond to aggressive and/or hostile acts against Ukraine with more than sanctions.
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Which… ironically, might’ve served as a deterrent to putin.

Ironically, I hope more nations apply for NATO membership and sanctions obliterate Russia’s oligarchs. This invasion could really blow up in Putin’s face. Well deserved too.
 
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