SoUjazzfan
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Not going to lie. I really laughed at this.
Hmmmm you don’t say?
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Rudy already has done plenty, and I’ll always like Rudy, nearly no matter what, including if he plays for another team. (Pst Rudy is more popular with the fanbase now and that’s a good thing). I like Rudy because he’s real and genuine. He doesn’t say or do things for just publicity. Rudy does things (I know for a fact) that don’t make headlines. Donovan makes sure every thing he does is a social media post or article. Real, and fake. Simple as that.
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Tim MacMahon in regards to Donovan today on ESPN700:
Checketts "If the Jazz go out in the first round or even the second round how loud does the noise get this offseason?"
Tim: "I think the noise will get loud, I do. It's kind of a constant noise right now."
Tim is trustworthy source. If you don't think Mitchell is an utter and total snake, even beyond what Hayward was. Idk what to tell you. The dude has been given nothing but whatever the f*** he wants. A successful career thus far. Is 25, and in his 5th season with his team. Most players don't sniff the finals or anything close until years 7,8,9. This is the thanks for getting whatever the f*** you want Donovan? F*** right off. And f*** Dennis Lindsey for being incompetent to the max level for giving in on a player option. The dude was and is a snake and it's been obvious for 2 f******* years now.
Checketts "If the Jazz go out in the first round or even the second round how loud does the noise get this offseason?"
Tim: "I think the noise will get loud, I do. It's kind of a constant noise right now."
Tim is trustworthy source. If you don't think Mitchell is an utter and total snake, even beyond what Hayward was. Idk what to tell you. The dude has been given nothing but whatever the f*** he wants. A successful career thus far. Is 25, and in his 5th season with his team. Most players don't sniff the finals or anything close until years 7,8,9. This is the thanks for getting whatever the f*** you want Donovan? F*** right off. And f*** Dennis Lindsey for being incompetent to the max level for giving in on a player option. The dude was and is a snake and it's been obvious for 2 f******* years now.
LoPo
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Take a deep breath...
Donovan is tired of playing with Rudy. Reporters know he's unhappy, and they speculate that it's about market size. It's not about market size. It's not even all about winning at this point. I think he's sick and tired of doing everything around what Rudy wants and needs, and I think Rudy's recent public comments about defensive effort put the team into a tailspin.
I think this is all about a fractured relationship they have tried to make work for 18 months. They are both to blame, but one has to go.
What are the things Don doing is for Rudy? I am just curious.
LoPo
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Like it or not, Don is a superstar playing in a system built around a teammate, and that teammate constantly goes public to rant about how things aren't to his liking. When you see guys not trying as hard or collapsing like we have been, it's because something is wrong behind the scenes.
After Rudy made his comments, Clarkson said: "We don't need anybody else coming out in the media saying stuff like that, though, but it's all good," he added.
Mitchell added: "I think we all, as a group, find ways to hold each other accountable. That's just his way about it, I guess. I'm not really concerned about it. At the end of the day, we all find ways to get better. That's really it. We all have individual ways of doing it, and he just happens to be this way. So, cool."
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In the gutter? Wow. We really have fallen.
You didn't answer my question.
Also just a simple stat. Mitchell is the most efficient PnR scorer in the league. Rudy sets the most screens and is the best at it. There is synergy there you just don't want to admit. Mitchell has also been slightly below average in isos and Rudy is not a shot creator. The system maximizes both of them by giving Mitchell a constant screen setter and stopping Rudy from spending time with the ball.
Clarkson's and Mitchell's comments are irrelevant. The question was what was Don doing for Rudy.
LoPo
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Yes, there are many statistics that show that Rudy and Don compliment each other. However, they don't like each other. You could show every statistic in the world to Kobe and Shaq, but they didn't like each other. Those guys were entrenched superstars, and they couldn't make it work despite the stats. Our guys are borderline superstars, and although some stats show they can work well together, you can't get past not enjoying playing with somebody.
In terms of what Don "does" for Rudy. I think Don does try to do everything offensively in the regular season to run the system built around Rudy. Sure he goes solo some, but that's just basketball these days. Guys go off script, but Don and Conley run the sets most of the time.
So Don uses what Rudy does for him? What else?
The system isn't solely build around Rudy. It's built to maximize every player. Rudy is an integral part of what makes it work but he is not necessarily a beneficiary of it like Don is. He doesn't need to be. It would have been great if the team found him on deep seals but no team is perfect and Jazz's offense is pretty good as it is.
Don definitely doesn't do everything offensively. He is not a full-time playmaker. Conley picks up PG duties Don can't and also gives Don someone to pass when he is blitzed. Don is rarely double teamed and that's because of offensive threaths Jazz brought to get the burden off Mitchell.