Hmmmm you don’t say?

[MilesDeep]

My fear is they will choose to build around Donovan, and send Rudy somewhere else. Donovan will still leave before his contract is up because he thinks he's too important to exist in a smaller market and because Utah is too white. Regular season Donovan is a poor defender with a propensity to ball watch, has poor +- stats, is moody, and his disdain for Rudy is obvious 80% of the time. Efficient offense can be built around Rudy, not sure the same is true for Donovan.

Donovan has shown the ability to defend better in the postseason and sometimes is just great offensively with the ability to create/take/make big shots. However, imo, his great will never translate to a chip if he is the focal piece (ironically, paired with Rudy is the exception). Future proves past, and you simply don't win chips when your dominant player is only 6', possible exception is Steph, but then there was also Barnes, Draymond, KD, Klay, Iggy, etc. Utah does not have that lineup.

Trading Donovan could bring back a piece, or pieces, that could immediately produce a contender i.e. Jaylen Brown. IMO, this is what should happen. In addition, keeping Conley at a reduced rate would be great because now that Ingles is done, Conley is the only decent lob thrower in the p&r, and Rudy needs a lob thrower/interior passer. Rudy will never have a wandering eye. Defense and offense can be built around Rudy. Ideally, if Donovan was traded, his best buddy Royce, who is criminally overrated on this board, and Clarkson could go too.

My prediction: Rudy will be traded and some fans will no longer give a rip and the front office will have seller regret almost instantly. The Jazz are a below average team without Rudy.

 

[oneye]

Take a deep breath...

Donovan is tired of playing with Rudy. Reporters know he's unhappy, and they speculate that it's about market size. It's not about market size. It's not even all about winning at this point. I think he's sick and tired of doing everything around what Rudy wants and needs, and I think Rudy's recent public comments about defensive effort put the team into a tailspin.

I think this is all about a fractured relationship they have tried to make work for 18 months. They are both to blame, but one has to go.

You somehow post something more stupid every time.

 

[oneye]

But you know where is it coming from? The knicks? Royce got paid, they signed his buddy paschall, whats he leaving for?

The allure of being the star of NY because he’s a 25 year old immature self deluded child?

I also listened to Andrew Boguts podcast, he talked about it yesterday. He essentially said, he hopes he stays, but he doesn’t see it, that this is how it starts. It goes from an anonymous source, to an agent on record not much longer down the road, goes to creating all sorts of issues for Utah. Bogut/those on his pod essentially agreed with you that NY wouldn’t be as good, but that all of them think he’s as good as gone.

 

[LogGrad98]

Rudy is the engine. Donovan is the gas pedal. Doesn't matter which part is missing it is still a necessary part.

 

[LoPo]

You somehow post something more stupid every time.

Of course you respond without adding anything of value.

Hey, maybe you should post some more lies.

 

[oneye]

My fear is they will choose to build around Donovan, and send Rudy somewhere else. Donovan will still leave before his contract is up because he thinks he's too important to exist in a smaller market and because Utah is too white. Regular season Donovan is a poor defender with a propensity to ball watch, has poor +- stats, is moody, and his disdain for Rudy is obvious 80% of the time. Efficient offense can be built around Rudy, not sure the same is true for Donovan.

Donovan has shown the ability to defend better in the postseason and sometimes is just great offensively with the ability to create/take/make big shots. However, imo, his great will never translate to a chip if he is the focal piece (ironically, paired with Rudy is the exception). Future proves past, and you simply don't win chips when your dominant player is only 6', possible exception is Steph, but then there was also Barnes, Draymond, KD, Klay, Iggy, etc. Utah does not have that lineup.

Trading Donovan could bring back a piece, or pieces, that could immediately produce a contender i.e. Jaylen Brown. IMO, this is what should happen. In addition, keeping Conley at a reduced rate would be great because now that Ingles is done, Conley is the only decent lob thrower in the p&r, and Rudy needs a lob thrower/interior passer. Rudy will never have a wandering eye. Defense and offense can be built around Rudy. Ideally, if Donovan was traded, his best buddy Royce, who is criminally overrated on this board, and Clarkson could go too.

My prediction: Rudy will be traded and some fans will no longer give a rip and the front office will have seller regret almost instantly. The Jazz are a below average team without Rudy.

I agree that this is what will happen and it’s naive of the FO. My hope is that Ainge is connected enough he can talk to Ryan about the writing on the wall here. McMahon essentially said to end this discussion “listen the Jazz #1 priority has been and will be keeping Donovan Mitchell happy(notice Lopo he didn’t say Rudy)” he went on to say “but it really might not matter when it comes down to it how much they try to do to make him happy, such as things beyond their control.” Reading between the lines McMahon basically says they’ll kiss Donovan’s ***, but he’s also saying, it’s not going to work. MacMahon is close to the Jazz, covers this market, and has undoubtably heard some things recently because he was not saying this stuff or anything close to it a year ago.

 

[oneye]

Of course you respond without adding anything of value.

Hey, maybe you should post some more lies.

You have earned nothing of value to be said to you.

 

[One Brow]

Like it or not, Don is a superstar playing in a system built around a teammate,

MItchell is electrifying when he is on, but he's not a superstar. He need to be more efficient to achieve that.

 

[One Brow]

Tim MacMahon in regards to Donovan today on ESPN700:

Checketts "If the Jazz go out in the first round or even the second round how loud does the noise get this offseason?"

Tim: "I think the noise will get loud, I do. It's kind of a constant noise right now."

Tim is trustworthy source. If you don't think Mitchell is an utter and total snake, even beyond what Hayward was. Idk what to tell you.

How about you tell me something Mitchell actually said, as opposed to speculation from some guy not plugged into the Jazz?

 

[LoPo]

So Don uses what Rudy does for him? What else?

The system isn't solely build around Rudy. It's built to maximize every player. Rudy is an integral part of what makes it work but he is not necessarily a beneficiary of it like Don is. He doesn't need to be. It would have been great if the team found him on deep seals but no team is perfect and Jazz's offense is pretty good as it is.

Don definitely doesn't do everything offensively. He is not a full-time playmaker. Conley picks up PG duties Don can't and also gives Don someone to pass when he is blitzed. Don is rarely double teamed and that's because of offensive threaths Jazz brought to get the burden off Mitchell.

This conversation started about how Donovan and Rudy aren't in sync. Why they seem to be disjointed.

We can break down offensive sets, pros and cons, and everything all we want. Numbers say that Don and Rudy could work on the basketball court well together. There are even some measures that say Don is better running the offense with Rudy than Conley is (which is frustrating for the Don at PG enthusiasts who want to see Don as our starting PG so he can grow into the role).

My personal opinion, and that's what most of this forum is, tells me that Rudy and Don simply don't like each other. They irritate each other. Don isn't leaving for a bigger market. He might want to leave because he isn't happy.

 

[LoPo]

MItchell is electrifying when he is on, but he's not a superstar. He need to be more efficient to achieve that.

If he gets selected to a third straight All Star game, he's definitely a superstar when adding in his playoff performances. The guy has averaged 32+ppg and 5+apg in the 2021 playoffs and 36+ppg and 5apg in the 2020 playoffs. Any superstar would brag about those numbers.

 

[oneye]

How about you tell me something Mitchell actually said, as opposed to speculation from some guy not plugged into the Jazz?

Mitchell is never ever ever going to actually address anything. Haven’t you noticed this at this point? Haven’t you seen him not address every difficult situation? He’ll write a thank you letter after he demands a trade and is traded and try to PR his way into not being hated for the snake he actually is. How many players just flat out come out and say, “I’m too big time for this city” “I hate it here” “get me out” “this place is too white for me”. It’s ridiculous to pretend you’re ever going to hear any of those things come out of his mouth one thing he’s great at is PR.

And saying Tim is not plugged in is asinine, Tim is probably one of if not THE most plugged in national Jazz source. He was in studio, in Salt Lake for a story he’s writing yesterday.