Well sure it sounds bad when you put it THAT way.
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Well sure it sounds bad when you put it THAT way.
It's a legitimate idea, but yeah, just wow. Everything needs to be shot down and all alts, errr.... never mind, go talk to Darkwing Duck.
Patience brother. This team will be stagnant AF in 3-4 years and everyone will be sucking your NOSE while claiming they called for your advice all along.
It's a go nowhere team, but it is exciting as a fan so let's run with the model and pretend it will bring a championship. #HaulNetoMVP!
b_line
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You don't think the team has a chance to be good?
I think there is a legitimate chance Gobert shocks us again with improvement, and Exum proves to be better than average at point guard offensively (his defense is already pretty great) when he comes back next year.
If we have an all star center, a decent power forward, a borderline all star small forward, and an above average point guard, how is that not better than Memphis? Or Atlanta?
I understand we probably won't have a superstar (maybe Rudy) but if the injuries and match ups fell right, the team could definitely reach the finals.
♪alt13
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*our 3 most proven players
I'm excited for a team that may might hopefully maybe might eventually just about maybe compete for a 3-4 seed before going into Big Al sustainability mode and then blowing it all up and selling us the rebuild model again.
Seats in the stands or cheap payroll, that's the UJ model. Get used to it. I want a game changer and the Jazz have shown zero willingness to acquire one.
1. It is an overreaction to the preseason. Nobody was putting forth such ideas a week ago.
2. Rebuild around Exum? Coming off injury? lol.
3. I don't know what you're saying with the alts part.
4. I'm too lazy to give a detailed response from my tablet, so I just expressed the fact that I think it's a terrible idea. I'm not important enough to shoot down anything.
♪alt13
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So what's this current teams ceiling? What would we need to do to raise that ceiling?
Something like Memphis of 2010s unless Exum explodes. In that case, we're probably legit contenders.
My preference is to package Exum plus assets for proven PG. No need to blow things up, even if all we manage is deep playoffs run. For that to be worth it, the risk versus reward gotta make sense. Hood is good, but I don't see super star potential. And I'm not sold on Exum.
I understand the idea behind the OP. It takes elite talent, superstar talent, to really win in this league. The Jazz don't have that #1 guy. Even good teams like Memphis, the Rockets and the Clippers rarely get past the 2nd round of the POs. That said, it really only takes one guy to build around. The Warriors without Steph Curry might not be a playoff team. The Thunder without Durant are barely a .500 team as they showed last year.
If the Jazz could add one legit star player to the mix they currently have, that could put them into the contender tier. But it would have to be one extremely well considered, surgically precise player move to make that happen. Truthfully, I don't think the Jazz can make that move until they get a better read on how a few of their young players are going to turn out.
Right now, the only conclusions we can draw are that neither Trey Burke nor Derrick Favors are superstars in this league. Favors is a decent defensive-minded starting PF in the mold of a Brian Grant, and Trey is a rotation guard. Maybe you conclude that Alec Burks is an above-average scoring guard like a Monta Ellis of sorts. If so, then maybe Burke, Burks and Favors are guys you'd be willing to move for a star-level player.
If Trey Lyles really pans out in the next two years, that could make trading Derrick Favors more tolerable.
If the Jazz could add one legit star player to the mix they currently have, that could put them into the contender tier. But it would have to be one extremely well considered, surgically precise player move to make that happen. Truthfully, I don't think the Jazz can make that move until they get a better read on how a few of their young players are going to turn out.
Right now, the only conclusions we can draw are that neither Trey Burke nor Derrick Favors are superstars in this league. Favors is a decent defensive-minded starting PF in the mold of a Brian Grant, and Trey is a rotation guard. Maybe you conclude that Alec Burks is an above-average scoring guard like a Monta Ellis of sorts. If so, then maybe Burke, Burks and Favors are guys you'd be willing to move for a star-level player.
If Trey Lyles really pans out in the next two years, that could make trading Derrick Favors more tolerable.
The Thunder had injuries to Westbrook and Ibaka throughout the year, not just Durant. It's not like Durant was the only injury. If that was the case, they would have made the playoffs.
I'd love to pick up Victor Oladipo if that were somehow possible (though probably it isn't right now). Among young players, I see real star potential there.
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