How well does Danny work the draft?

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

He had 6 top 15 picks in Boston that produced 3 All-NBA players, 1 DPOY and you single out the only real miss that was Romeo Langford ar #14.

i guess that cherry fits your agenda.

DA has spent most of his career picking outside of lottery and has done pretty well. Best move was definitely trading back in to snatch Rondo, but there are several other great finds with late firsts.

What exactly is my agenda? Please, educate me.

The article ranked Ainge at nearly the bottom in efficiency at the draft. Just saying.

 

[HermanG]

What exactly is my agenda? Please, educate me.

The article ranked Ainge at nearly the bottom in efficiency at the draft. Just saying.

You ask me what your agenda is and then reveal it in the next phrase.

I posted a breakdown of the picks that shows how late he has drafted, yet you still push the same narrative by saying "ooh, he missed the 14th pick this one time".

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

There is no AGENDA. He ranked poorly because he has made a lot of picks and very few of them have turned into all nba players.

To satisfy your need for more evidence I took a deeper dive from his time with the celtics from 2003 - 2020.
 
More first round busts for you...

• James Young
• Guerschon Yabusele
• R.J. Hunter
• J.R. Giddens
• Fab Melo
• JaJuan Johnson
• Aaron Nesmith
• Payton Pritchard
• Grant Williams
• Yam Madar
• Leon Powe
• Marcus Banks
• Bill/Henry Walker
• Semi Ojeleye
• Ante Žižić
• Semih Erden

Some decent players, role players, or starters at some point:

• Jared Sullinger
• Delonte West
• Glen Davis
• Kelly Olynyk
• Gerald Green
• Robert Williams
• Tony Allen
• Avery Bradley
• Terry Rozier

His top 5 picks of all time:

• Jayson Tatum
• Rajon Rondo
• Jaylen Brown
• Al Jefferson
• Marcus Smart

And for those who whine and complain every year about how we could possibly miss a player, he took Kelly Olynyk over Giannis even though he scouted Giannis when he was an obscure prospect. i am sure if i went through the list again from the perspective of who did he overlook it would be littered with players.

So, just counting up picks that's 3 all stars out of 30 picks. If you feel like that's amazing, then compare with other GMs. With that record it is hard for me to get jazzed about how we are going to get a bunch of draft assets to turn the program around.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

To compare, here is a list of Dennis Lindsey's 1st round draft picks 2013 - 2020:

Trey Burke (traded Shabazz Muhammed and Gorgei Dieng)
Raul Neto
Dante Exum
Rodney Hood
Trey Lyles
Taurean Prince (traded)
Donovan Mitchell
Rudy Gobert
Josh Hart (traded)
Tyler Lydon (traded to get Spida)
Grayson Allen
Darius Bazely (traded)
Udoka Azubuike

9 total picks kept. 1 x Top 10 Pick.

4 flops.

3 serviceable players.

2 Perennial All Stars.

Much higher efficiency even if there were more flops. And most people here were way over Dennis Lindsey by the end.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

There is no AGENDA. He ranked poorly because he has made a lot of picks and very few of them have turned into all nba players.

To satisfy your need for more evidence I took a deeper dive from his time with the celtics from 2003 - 2020.
 
More first round busts for you...

• James Young
• Guerschon Yabusele
• R.J. Hunter
• J.R. Giddens
• Fab Melo
• JaJuan Johnson
• Aaron Nesmith
• Payton Pritchard
• Grant Williams
• Yam Madar
• Leon Powe
• Marcus Banks
• Bill/Henry Walker
• Semi Ojeleye
• Ante Žižić
• Semih Erden

Some decent players, role players, or starters at some point:

• Jared Sullinger
• Delonte West
• Glen Davis
• Kelly Olynyk
• Gerald Green
• Robert Williams
• Tony Allen
• Avery Bradley
• Terry Rozier

His top 5 picks of all time:

• Jayson Tatum
• Rajon Rondo
• Jaylen Brown
• Al Jefferson
• Marcus Smart

And for those who whine and complain every year about how we could possibly miss a player, he took Kelly Olynyk over Giannis even though he scouted Giannis when he was an obscure prospect. i am sure if i went through the list again from the perspective of who did he overlook it would be littered with players.

So, just counting up picks that's 3 all stars out of 30 picks. If you feel like that's amazing, then compare with other GMs. With that record it is hard for me to get jazzed about how we are going to get a bunch of draft assets to turn the program around.

How is Payton Prichard a bust? He just won a ring playing a fairly big role. All as the 26th pick!

You ****ing moron.

Nesmith averaged 12 ppg on a conference finals team. Again, you are a moron.


Grant Williams is a bust????/

Holy ****, no agenda here, just someone without a functioning brain or any NBA knowledge outside of watching the Jazz apparently.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

To compare, here is a list of Dennis Lindsey's 1st round draft picks 2013 - 2020:

Trey Burke (traded Shabazz Muhammed and Gorgei Dieng)
Raul Neto
Dante Exum
Rodney Hood
Trey Lyles
Taurean Prince (traded)
Donovan Mitchell
Rudy Gobert
Josh Hart (traded)
Tyler Lydon (traded to get Spida)
Grayson Allen
Darius Bazely (traded)
Udoka Azubuike

9 total picks kept. 1 x Top 10 Pick.

4 flops.

3 serviceable players.

2 Perennial All Stars.

Much higher efficiency even if there were more flops. And most people here were way over Dennis Lindsey by the end.

LMFAO

DL did not draft Taurean Prince, Josh Hart, Darius Bazley, or Tyler Lydon. They traded those picks. The players who got picked in those slots were picked by the team who traded for the pick.

You really need to take a step back and educate yourself before you try to do an analysis like this so you can get the basic facts correct.

 

[HermanG]

There is no AGENDA. He ranked poorly because he has made a lot of picks and very few of them have turned into all nba players.

To satisfy your need for more evidence I took a deeper dive from his time with the celtics from 2003 - 2020.
 
More first round busts for you...

• James Young
• Guerschon Yabusele
• R.J. Hunter
• J.R. Giddens
• Fab Melo
• JaJuan Johnson
• Aaron Nesmith
• Payton Pritchard
• Grant Williams
• Yam Madar
• Leon Powe
• Marcus Banks
• Bill/Henry Walker
• Semi Ojeleye
• Ante Žižić
• Semih Erden

Some decent players, role players, or starters at some point:

• Jared Sullinger
• Delonte West
• Glen Davis
• Kelly Olynyk
• Gerald Green
• Robert Williams
• Tony Allen
• Avery Bradley
• Terry Rozier

His top 5 picks of all time:

• Jayson Tatum
• Rajon Rondo
• Jaylen Brown
• Al Jefferson
• Marcus Smart

And for those who whine and complain every year about how we could possibly miss a player, he took Kelly Olynyk over Giannis even though he scouted Giannis when he was an obscure prospect. i am sure if i went through the list again from the perspective of who did he overlook it would be littered with players.

So, just counting up picks that's 3 all stars out of 30 picks. If you feel like that's amazing, then compare with other GMs. With that record it is hard for me to get jazzed about how we are going to get a bunch of draft assets to turn the program around.

I wont repeat what @Saint Cy of JFC said despite it being 100% true. But I will throw some more cold water on your "research".

Yam Madar was a 2nd round pick (47th overall)
Leon Powe was a 2nd round pick (49th overall)
Henry Walker was a 2nd round pick (47th overall)
Semi Oljeleye was a 2nd round pick (37th overall)

....god I'm starting to sound like a broken record here...

And the worst of that list was Semih Erden who was not only a 2nd round pick but the 60th overall pick!!

So if we remove the 3 guys that Cy listed who are NOT busts and also remove the 5 2nd round prospects... we end up with 9 first round busts with an average draft position of #22 to go with the 4 all-NBA guys, 1 DPOY and a long list of real solid players.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I wont repeat what @Saint Cy of JFC said despite it being 100% true. But I will throw some more cold water on your "research".

Yam Madar was a 2nd round pick (47th overall)
Leon Powe was a 2nd round pick (49th overall)
Henry Walker was a 2nd round pick (47th overall)
Semi Oljeleye was a 2nd round pick (37th overall)

....god I'm starting to sound like a broken record here...

And the worst of that list was Semih Erden who was not only a 2nd round pick but the 60th overall pick!!

So if we remove the 3 guys that Cy listed who are NOT busts and also remove the 5 2nd round prospects... we end up with 9 first round busts with an average draft position of #22 to go with the 4 all-NBA guys, 1 DPOY and a long list of real solid players.

and Yabu is making a comeback to relevance

 

[HermanG]

Btw going through some of the draft resumes made me realize that the golden boy of the NBA draft Sam Presti is somewhat overrated. I mean sure he has a historical stroke of luck to start his GM career drafting 3 future MVPs back-to-back-to-back but since those drafts he pretty much stunk the joint until 2022 when he had another homerun draft.

Here are his worst draft day lowlights from 2010-2021:

• Traded 2 FRPs to move up to 11 and select Cole Aldrich
• Traded away Eric Bledsoe on draft day for a future 1st which he later traded for Kendrick Perkins
• Traded 2 FRP and Ricky Rubio in a 3 team deal to move up and grab Aleksej Pokusevski. Those FRPs he traded away were used to select Jaden McDaniels and Immanuel Quickley.
• Traded the 2021 16th pick (Alperen Sengun) for two heavily protected future firsts that he later traded away to select Ousmane Dieng
• Traded Brandon Clarke for Darius Bazley
• He also drafted just 3 guys (Adams, Jackson and Giddey) who turned out to be starter level players vs 9 first round busts in that 11 year stretch. I may have missed some transactions.

Also zero chips despite the mad start.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

I wont repeat what @Saint Cy of JFC said despite it being 100% true. But I will throw some more cold water on your "research".

Yam Madar was a 2nd round pick (47th overall)
Leon Powe was a 2nd round pick (49th overall)
Henry Walker was a 2nd round pick (47th overall)
Semi Oljeleye was a 2nd round pick (37th overall)

....god I'm starting to sound like a broken record here...

And the worst of that list was Semih Erden who was not only a 2nd round pick but the 60th overall pick!!

So if we remove the 3 guys that Cy listed who are NOT busts and also remove the 5 2nd round prospects... we end up with 9 first round busts with an average draft position of #22 to go with the 4 all-NBA guys, 1 DPOY and a long list of real solid players.

I grabbed the list off of a reddit thread. Remove the 4 players from the second round and it is still 25 players on thst list of which only 5 are more than a starter at best. Lindsey did more with less. Other GMs as well.

Reviewing the list it is clear Ainge drafts lots of role players. But the cream on the list is a very short list. But I hope it turns out better this round for Ainge.

Also, Saint hates everyone. Blocked him years ago. Best thing I ever did on Jazzfanz. He has hated everything I ever post here even if he agrees with it.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

Btw going through some of the draft resumes made me realize that the golden boy of the NBA draft Sam Presti is somewhat overrated. I mean sure he has a historical stroke of luck to start his GM career drafting 3 future MVPs back-to-back-to-back but since those drafts he pretty much stunk the joint until 2022 when he had another homerun draft.

Here are his worst draft day lowlights from 2010-2021:

• Traded 2 FRPs to move up to 11 and select Cole Aldrich
• Traded away Eric Bledsoe on draft day for a future 1st which he later traded for Kendrick Perkins
• Traded 2 FRP and Ricky Rubio in a 3 team deal to move up and grab Aleksej Pokusevski. Those FRPs he traded away were used to select Jaden McDaniels and Immanuel Quickley.
• Traded the 2021 16th pick (Alperen Sengun) for two heavily protected future firsts that he later traded away to select Ousmane Dieng
• Traded Brandon Clarke for Darius Bazley
• He also drafted just 3 guys (Adams, Jackson and Giddey) who turned out to be starter level players vs 9 first round busts in that 11 year stretch. I may have missed some transactions.

Also zero chips despite the mad start.

Presti has Chet, J Williams, Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Green, Cason Wallace, and a ton of role players in the league. I would rather have Presti drafting given his record.

But I have an agenda.

 

[fishonjazz]

Just out of curiosity, I went to check who he has drafted over the years and where. Here is a short summary listing every DA FRP made before his Jazz era. I excluded guys who he traded away on draft day. I may have missed some incoming trades that he did on draft day but the transaction logs are kinda painful to check for rookies, so maybe I come back to check those later.

Top 10 draft picks

• Marcus Smart (#6 in 2014)
• Jaylen Brown (#3 in 2016)
• Jayson Tatum (#3 in 2017)

In addition to these three, Ainge also had two other top 10 picks that he traded away on draft day in the early 2000s' (Randy Foye and Jeff Green were selected with those).

Picks at 11-20

• Troy Bell (#16 in 2003)
• Dahntay Jones (#20 in 2003)
• Al Jefferson (#15 in 2004)
• Gerald Green (#18 in 2005)
• Avery Bradley (#19 in 2010)
• James Young (#17 in 2014)
• Terry Rozier (#16 in 2015)
• Guerschon Yabusele (#16 in 2016)
• Romeo Langford (#14 in 2019)
• Matisse Thybulle (#20 in 2019) (traded the next day)
• Aaron Nesmith (#14 in 2020)

Picks at 21-30

• Delonte West (#24 in 2004)
• Tony Allen (#25 in 2004)
• Rajon Rondo (#21 in 2006) (traded a 2007 FRP for Rondo + Brian Grant on draft day)
• J.R. Giddens (#30 in 2008)
• Jared Sullinger (#21 in 2012)
• Fab Melo (#22 in 2012)
• R.J. Hunter (#28 in 2015)
• Ante Zizic (#23 in 2016)
• Robert Williams III (#27 in 2018)
• Grant Williams (#22 in 2019)
• Payton Pritchard (#26 in 2020)
• Desmond Bane (#30 in 2020) (traded two days later)

I would say overall he has done much better than average on his picks. He has traded out of the top 10 twice but other than that Taylor Hendricks is actually only the 4th top 10 selection of Ainge's career who he has kept beyond draft day, with every top 10 pick before TH making either All-NBA 1st or 2nd or All-Defense 1st team.

Agreed. Looks like he hit on more picks than most GMs do

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