I believe in Liberty

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I believe in enhancements for crimes committed while under the influence of any mind altering drug(including alchohol) but I am not for banning them.

I'm with you on marijuana but not things like meth, coke and acid. Those are a whole different ballgame.

 

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Btw viewing its people as an investment is a usual calculation method in national economics (per capita GNP for example). .

BTP I'm serious. ^This argument used as a justification for criminal laws scares the **** out of me. I am not trying to be coy or clever. My question about fascism and Communism was genuine. This is a very statist opinion that I honestly don't know how to respond to.

 

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I'm with you on marijuana but not things like meth, coke and acid. Those are a whole different ballgame.

I think most people feel that way. I have watched many people close to me suffer the ravages of addiction, but I never saw any of them do anything that would justify a prison sentence.

 

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I think most people feel that way. I have watched many people close to me suffer the ravages of addiction, but I never saw any of them do anything that would justify a prison sentence.

Then you didn't pay close attention.

You bet your *** that it leads to arrestable offenses.

 

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I never said they were great people when they were chasing the dragon, just that they did nothing that would justify prison.
I am sure that some people will commit serious crimes because of their drug use(less if it were legal) but that doesn't justify locking someone up before they have committed a violent crime. Cars lead to car crashes. Hamburgers lead to heart attacks. Lots of things that people enjoy have negative consequences.

 

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BTP I'm serious. ^This argument used as a justification for criminal laws scares the **** out of me. I am not trying to be coy or clever. My question about fascism and Communism was genuine. This is a very statist opinion that I honestly don't know how to respond to.

I honestly do not know how I am fascist or communist, when all I do is put economical impact, importance and statistics up as measures to estimate the VALUE of a person, that's the society's job to PROTECT. Communists don't have such calculations, as it doesn't have a market as such. Fascism is described on wikipedia as

Hostile to liberal democracy, socialism, and communism, fascist movements share certain common features, including the veneration of the state, a devotion to a strong leader, and an emphasis on ultranationalism and militarism. Fascism views political violence, war, and imperialism as a means to achieve national rejuvenation[3][6][7][8] and asserts that stronger nations have the right to obtain land and resources by displacing weaker nations.[9]

I don't know how my statements qualify me as either. What I describe is a social market economy's way to put their citizens in a position to succeed the way they look at the world. That doesn't have to be correct and it's an ongoing process to describe and understand the human individual better. But at a give time that's what the think is best, since having a strong group of young people growing up is fundamental for a nations continuity and success.

PS: You should look up the influence of a "Gaussian distribution" on the real world and everyday's life. It's a statistics measure that describes nearly every process happening in the nature and the way human beings behave. Such measures help administrations to predict how human beings act if you merge them as a group in certain points.

PPS: The way to evaluate human beings as assets while analyzing your business is exactly what NBA franchises do with their players. That's what statistics and advanced stats are doing. Fans are even stronger at judging in such a way over players and the persons they are outside of work hours. But the way I look at it viewing your players as numbers on the court doesn't preclude to look at each and every one as an individual off the court.
I don't think the Bulls view Jay Williams as a bad person, just because a decision of his that ruined his body resulted in the Bulls suffering a huge loss in their business.
Same way for Andrew Bynum. The flak he's taking is from fans, not from the guys who invested in him. While from a business standpoint they weren't happy when Bynum hurt himself while bowling, this doesn't mean the Sixers GM wouldn't go bowling with him at this point. They just moved on as business partners as they take their business in different directions and couldn't find common ground to prolong it.

 

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I never said they were great people when they were chasing the dragon, just that they did nothing that would justify prison.
I am sure that some people will commit serious crimes because of their drug use(less if it were legal) but that doesn't justify locking someone up before they have committed a violent crime. Cars lead to car crashes. Hamburgers lead to heart attacks. Lots of things that people enjoy have negative consequences.

Theft, home invasion, assault...all justifiable reasons to lock someone up. I know what you are saying and I am telling you that you are wrong.

 

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What about much dangerous drugs like meth, coke, acid, etc?

If making those things illegal solved the problems associated with them then what world am I living in?

There are a few countries that have legalized ALL drugs and things haven't gotten worse. In many ways things are better. Not that there is no drug abuse, there was before it was legal and there is now, but this notion that if legalized it would suddenly be socially acceptable to do meth and the floodgates would open up and use would skyrocket is unfounded.

Making drugs illegal hasn't fixed anything. I don't think we should make things illegal as a way of saying we don't approve when we know full well enforcement and prevention are impossible.

 

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Theft, home invasion, assault...all justifiable reasons to lock someone up. I know what you are saying and I am telling you that you are wrong.

So lock people up for doing those things. I don't see the problem.

 

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So lock people up for doing those things. I don't see the problem.

In my experience the people were doing those things because of meth and other hard drugs. They are damaging to society in ways that tobacco and marijuana are not.

 

[LogGrad98]

In my experience the people were doing those things because of meth and other hard drugs. They are damaging to society in ways that tobacco and marijuana are not.

If legal would they, or any other drugs, be more or less damaging than alcohol is now? Alcohol will never be on the banned list but it is quite damaging, even though it is never discussed as a "drug" per se. As a manager we have far more problems due to alcohol use in the workplace than drug use. You can argue that it is because drug use is illegal, but can we really say that? Are the ratios assumed to be the same, that if made legal roughly the same percentage of the population would use drugs as now use alcohol? Not sure that is valid line of reasoning.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Sometimes laws are in place because, well, people are super stupid. Government sometimes (should I dare say it?) tries to protect people from themselves and from their guardians. But let me guess, anarchism FTW, right?
y.

exactly.
evolution survival of the fittest.let stupid people die.
government should not protect stupidity.
stupidity should have consequences