I just think it's funny

[m3at]

We're going nowhere this season... But we are going somewhere,the fact of the matter is you can't build around a PG (D Rose may prove me wrong) and win championships, we had our out so we took it. The truth is, we are in a tremendous position (probably better than any other team in the league) to build a contender from scratch

D Rose has more talent around him than dwill/booz ever had.

 

[Kenwood]

Going back a ways (now that it's my daytime), I understand that the Jazz had their chances in some of those series (2008 against the Lakers probably the best example). I get that. But the fact remains that in four shots against teams that I consider to be real contenders (three were champs and one lost in the Finals), they didn't win any of them. They didn't even force deciding games. Even with injuries and bad calls, true contenders come through against other contenders once in a while. I thought the Jazz were contenders in 2007 and 2008, but by 2009 I didn't really think so any more.

I also get that injuries played a part. They were injured in the regular season and that contributed to lower seeds and loss of homecourt, but that's still part of the team. I won't use that as an excuse for not blowing up the team because it was part of the fact pattern every year. Injuries to AK or Boozer or whomever caused lower seedings, but I didn't see that as likely to change, so letting Boozer or some of the others go wasn't that big a deal to me.

Trading Deron was different - a gutsy move trading a top player, not a fringe player or a very good player who played 2/3 of the time. If they could prove that he would have walked in 2012, maybe they look smart, but they can't prove that (eeven though most of us feared it). Instead, we just have to see what the Jazz get out of Favors, the NJ pick and the GS pick. It could be good, or not.

 

[freakazoid]

Trading Deron was different - a gutsy move trading a top player, not a fringe player or a very good player who played 2/3 of the time. If they could prove that he would have walked in 2012, maybe they look smart, but they can't prove that (eeven though most of us feared it). Instead, we just have to see what the Jazz get out of Favors, the NJ pick and the GS pick. It could be good, or not.

What?

Kenwood?

What the hell? Last I heard you made a case for not trading our exception for AL Jeffererson.

It was sensible, and completely reasonable, and about 15 years ago.


Where the hell have you been?







Please come back.

 

[Revolution 9]

I think it's funny you're still in love with a Loozer.

 

[Kenwood]

What?

Kenwood?

What the hell? Last I heard you made a case for not trading our exception for AL Jeffererson.

It was sensible, and completely reasonable, and about 15 years ago.


Where the hell have you been?







Please come back.

Sorry...I've been busy and barely had time to follow the season. In November (just as the season was starting) we decided to relocate to Singapore. Spent 3 months getting ready and now 7 weeks here getting settled. Plus now I deal with games starting between 8:00 and 11:30 in the morning, so I watch most of them on a delay. Hence, not much time on Jazzfanz. Like I said...busy.

I'll see what I can do to hang around more, especially with an important offseason coming soon.

 

[freakazoid]

I'll see what I can do to hang around more, especially with an important offseason coming soon.

Not acceptable. Too many nirods. Once a week is not too much to ask.

I look forward to your weekly posts, at the very least.

Thank you in advavance.

 

[northeast]

-2006-07 - Western Conference Finals (as in: 1 step away from the Finals) - and if Robert Horry doesn't body check Steve Nash into the scorer's table - it's likely Utah faces a Phoenix squad they beat 3/4 times instead of San Antonio in the WCF and then go on to beat that dreadful Cleveland team.

-2007-08 - Conference semifinals, Game 5 at Staples Center - the game everyone forgets, but the Jazz were one increbile Steve Javie/Bob Delaney-screw job away from taking a 3-2 lead over THEE LOS ANGELES LAKERS, with Game 6 back in SLC. Most analysts agreed that series was the real conference finals.

-2008-09 - Season got derailed twice, first when Deron sprained his ankle in preseason and didn't regain form until January, then when Boozer injured his knee and missed 45 games. Then they had to face the Lakers - w/out Mehmet Okur for essentially the entire series.

-2009-10 - Got hot in midseason and were on an incredible 17-2 stretch, when they traded away Ronnie Brewer - which didn't affect the team until AK injured his calf with 16 games remaining in the season - and was lost for virtually the rest of the season/playoffs. Then Okur blows his achilles in Game 1, beat Denver but not enough weapons left to finish games against LA even though they had great chances (Game 1: 4-point lead with 2 minutes left at Staples, Game 3: 2-point lead w/30 seconds left).


So you see 2 years where the Jazz were 1 step away from making The Finals, and 2 years where injuries and lack of roster improvement prevented them from taking that next step. [etc.]

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This post wins the debate by a knockout.

 

[northeast]

Earlier posters made some odd mistakes.
1. When did the Jazz ever play an 8th seed?
2. How is it that advancing to the second round is the same as not advancing to the second round?

Any time you are good enough to advance to the second round, you are good enough to have a shot of winning any playoff series if it is called fairly.

 

[gregbroncs]

Earlier posters made some odd mistakes.
1. When did the Jazz ever play an 8th seed?
2. How is it that advancing to the second round is the same as not advancing to the second round?

Any time you are good enough to advance to the second round, you are good enough to have a shot of winning any playoff series if it is called fairly.

Golden state was an 8th seed. Winning to get to the 2nd round does not make you a contender. A contender is a team with a legitimate shot at a title. Since half the league makes the playoffs and a good portion get to the 2nd round that's is not enough to be a contender. You must either beat a team that is a contender or at least force a deciding game. The Jazz have not done either.

 

[Sneakers]

-2006-07 - Western Conference Finals (as in: 1 step away from the Finals) - and if Robert Horry doesn't body check Steve Nash into the scorer's table - it's likely Utah faces a Phoenix squad they beat 3/4 times instead of San Antonio in the WCF and then go on to beat that dreadful Cleveland team.

-2007-08 - Conference semifinals, Game 5 at Staples Center - the game everyone forgets, but the Jazz were one increbile Steve Javie/Bob Delaney-screw job away from taking a 3-2 lead over THEE LOS ANGELES LAKERS, with Game 6 back in SLC. Most analysts agreed that series was the real conference finals.

-2008-09 - Season got derailed twice, first when Deron sprained his ankle in preseason and didn't regain form until January, then when Boozer injured his knee and missed 45 games. Then they had to face the Lakers - w/out Mehmet Okur for essentially the entire series.

-2009-10 - Got hot in midseason and were on an incredible 17-2 stretch, when they traded away Ronnie Brewer - which didn't affect the team until AK injured his calf with 16 games remaining in the season - and was lost for virtually the rest of the season/playoffs. Then Okur blows his achilles in Game 1, beat Denver but not enough weapons left to finish games against LA even though they had great chances (Game 1: 4-point lead with 2 minutes left at Staples, Game 3: 2-point lead w/30 seconds left).


So you see 2 years where the Jazz were 1 step away from making The Finals, and 2 years where injuries and lack of roster improvement prevented them from taking that next step. (If healthy it's likely they don't make it regardless, but injuries really robbed them of the opportunity to take that next step).

Due to injuries/age of Boozer, I agree with the decision to let him walk for 6 yrs $75 million. However, the fact is those were still some darn good Jazz teams that were pretty close to the ultimate goal.

Jazz fans will be lucky to experience that type of success from this new rebuilding effort. For every OKC, there are a dozen rebuilding failures. There are just too many unknowns to think the Jazz are in a better position now than they were 3 years ago.
It's like spending $500 on lottery tickets instead of spending $500 on savings bonds. You now have a chance at striking it rich, but that doesn't mean you're more financially successful.

God... this makes me so sad its all over.

 

[Jazz4ever]

-2006-07 - Western Conference Finals (as in: 1 step away from the Finals) - and if Robert Horry doesn't body check Steve Nash into the scorer's table - it's likely Utah faces a Phoenix squad they beat 3/4 times instead of San Antonio in the WCF and then go on to beat that dreadful Cleveland team.

-2007-08 - Conference semifinals, Game 5 at Staples Center - the game everyone forgets, but the Jazz were one increbile Steve Javie/Bob Delaney-screw job away from taking a 3-2 lead over THEE LOS ANGELES LAKERS, with Game 6 back in SLC. Most analysts agreed that series was the real conference finals.

-2008-09 - Season got derailed twice, first when Deron sprained his ankle in preseason and didn't regain form until January, then when Boozer injured his knee and missed 45 games. Then they had to face the Lakers - w/out Mehmet Okur for essentially the entire series.

-2009-10 - Got hot in midseason and were on an incredible 17-2 stretch, when they traded away Ronnie Brewer - which didn't affect the team until AK injured his calf with 16 games remaining in the season - and was lost for virtually the rest of the season/playoffs. Then Okur blows his achilles in Game 1, beat Denver but not enough weapons left to finish games against LA even though they had great chances (Game 1: 4-point lead with 2 minutes left at Staples, Game 3: 2-point lead w/30 seconds left).


So you see 2 years where the Jazz were 1 step away from making The Finals, and 2 years where injuries and lack of roster improvement prevented them from taking that next step. (If healthy it's likely they don't make it regardless, but injuries really robbed them of the opportunity to take that next step).

Due to injuries/age of Boozer, I agree with the decision to let him walk for 6 yrs $75 million. However, the fact is those were still some darn good Jazz teams that were pretty close to the ultimate goal.

Jazz fans will be lucky to experience that type of success from this new rebuilding effort. For every OKC, there are a dozen rebuilding failures. There are just too many unknowns to think the Jazz are in a better position now than they were 3 years ago.
It's like spending $500 on lottery tickets instead of spending $500 on savings bonds. You now have a chance at striking it rich, but that doesn't mean you're more financially successful.

Its fun to play "what if" scenarios, but then you have to play them for the other side to.

2007: Golden State doesn't get their fluke win and we have to face the 67-15 Mavs in the second round. Gone fishin'

2008: Andrew Bynum plays.............

2009: Despite the 8th seeding I believe this was the strongest Jazz team overall. Memo was crazy good until the injury, Sap had expanded his game, Korver was in sync, and AK was playing inspired. Memo's injury and Boozer at 70% made the Lakers too much to handle, but if everyone was healthy I might be able to loosely put a contender label on them.

2010: Denver has Karl coaching. Yeah the Jazz may have still won, but Memo and AK had declined athletically so even without their injuries this team is probably not a contender.

 

[northeast]

any team that makes it to the 2nd round is good enough to beat any other team in a series if the games are called even.