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ICE Shooting in Minnesota

Washington Post analysis of Ross’s cellphone video. The 5 key moments. Complete footage, ending with an agent’s slur. She was clearly cocking the steering wheel away from the agent who shot her. And if that’s him with the muttered slur, then he killed her out of anger, not fear. He murdered her.

 

″[I see] officers overreacting to what admittedly might be some sarcastic and lightly combative civilians. But I don’t see a situation that would require the application of deadly force,”

Feinberg, a former assistant special agent in charge at the FBI, emphasized that law enforcement officers need to exhibit “emotional maturity” as well as “an ability to keep your cool” on the job.

“Getting heckled, getting videotaped. Anything related to those two activities. That’s part of the job,” he said.

“Somebody filming you on a cell phone and giving you sass is not a threat to your life. It’s not even a threat to your safety. It’s a minor annoyance at best.”
Feinberg questioned “why on Earth” the agent would be filming the interaction with his cell phone. He also called out both Vance and President Donald Trump for commenting on the shooting prior to an investigation.

He referred to the “******* *****” remark heard in the clip as the “height of unprofessionalism,” attributing the comment to one of the agents at the scene.

Feinberg noted that Ross had “a lot of equipment to protect himself” and would want to keep his hands free of a cell phone if he feared for his life or thought he was in danger.

“This is like, I’m sorry, but that excuse is asinine,” he said.
 
Rebecca Brown Good issues her first statement since the murder of her wife Renee Good;

“First, I want to extend my gratitude to all the people who have reached out from across the country and around the world to support our family.

This kindness of strangers is the most fitting tribute because if you ever encountered my wife, Renee Nicole Macklin Good, you know that above all else, she was kind. In fact, kindness radiated out of her.

Renee sparkled. She literally sparkled. I mean, she didn’t wear glitter but I swear she had sparkles coming out of her pores. All the time. You might think it was just my love talking but her family said the same thing. Renee was made of sunshine.

Renee lived by an overarching belief: there is kindness in the world and we need to do everything we can to find it where it resides and nurture it where it needs to grow. Renee was a Christian who knew that all religions teach the same essential truth: we are here to love each other, care for each other, and keep each other safe and whole.

Like people have done across place and time, we moved to make a better life for ourselves. We chose Minnesota to make our home. Our whole extended road trip here, we held hands in the car while our son drew all over the windows to pass the time and the miles.

What we found when we got here was a vibrant and welcoming community, we made friends and spread joy. And while any place we were together was home, there was a strong shared sense here in Minneapolis that we were looking out for each other. Here, I had finally found peace and safe harbor. That has been taken from me forever.

We were raising our son to believe that no matter where you come from or what you look like, all of us deserve compassion and kindness. Renee lived this belief every day. She is pure love. She is pure joy. She is pure sunshine.

On Wednesday, January 7th, we stopped to support our neighbors. We had whistles. They had guns.

Renee leaves behind three extraordinary children; the youngest is just six years old and already lost his father. I am now left to raise our son and to continue teaching him, as Renee believed, that there are people building a better world for him. That the people who did this had fear and anger in their hearts, and we need to show them a better way.

We thank you for the privacy you are granting our family as we grieve. We thank you for ensuring that Renee’s legacy is one of kindness and love. We honor her memory by living her values: rejecting hate and choosing compassion, turning away from fear and pursuing peace, refusing division and knowing we must come together to build a world where we all come home safe to the people we love.”

-Rebecca
 
CNN has published another good analysis, synching the agent’s cellphone video with the other videos…


As he approached Renee Good’s vehicle on a Minneapolis street on Wednesday, Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent Jonathan Ross held up his phone camera and recorded video.

Less than a minute later, he was still recording when he drew his weapon and fatally shot Good as she accelerated.

That extraordinary footage, along with video shot by bystanders and a 3D model created by CNN of the confrontation, shows Good and her wife challenging ICE officers – but also raises new questions about Ross’s tactics and decision to use deadly force.

The video evidence also appears to undermine elements of the government’s narrative of what happened.

CNN’s analysis found that while the Department of Homeland Security claims that Good was “blocking” ICE agents, multiple cars – including one driven by Ross – were able to drive around Good’s vehicle before the shooting.

Some experts said Ross’s decision to use a cell phone to record the encounter, including as he fired the fatal shots, could have hampered his ability to respond effectively in the moment.

“If you’re an agent … then you should not be encumbered by anything in your hands,” said Jonathan Wackrow, a CNN law enforcement analyst. “That’s what body worn cameras are for. But they’re not wearing body-worn cameras.”

Trump administration officials have defended Ross and said he acted out of self-defense, arguing that the video he recorded makes it clear he had no choice but to shoot. In the wake of the shooting, Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem described the incident as “an act of domestic terrorism.”

“This footage corroborates what DHS has stated all along — that this individual was impeding law enforcement and weaponized her vehicle in an attempt to kill or cause bodily harm to federal law enforcement,” said DHS Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin in a statement. “The officer was in fear of his own life, the lives of his fellow officers and acted in self-defense.”

But a former senior law enforcement official with knowledge of DHS found Ross’s actions deeply concerning.

“I would have been livid if one of my folks were doing that,” the former official, who requested to speak anonymously, told CNN. “If you’re so concerned about your safety … then why are you tying up your hands and attention on your cell phone? Clearly they didn’t feel threatened.”

Another effort to sync:


View: https://x.com/gbrumfiel/status/2009699170043789379
 
I was in a meeting once and a co worker of mine let out a silent fart. No one in the meeting got upset about it. Everyone just understood that farts happen.

Then the next day in a meeting I let out a loud fart while standing on the conference room table and told everyone to smell it while I called them all insulting names.
Everyone freaked out about it. I dont understand why though. I mean my co worker also farted in a meeting they didn't freak out at him. Just unfair really.
 
fishonjazz said:
Yep. Apples are different than oranges.

Babbit was part of a mob who had been attacking police officers for hours. She was literally trying her hardest to get at the policeman who shot her and was in a building she wasn't supposed to be in at the time. The officer was severely outnumbered in a small space with little to no opportunity to get escape the danger.

The driver of the car was trying to get away from the confrontation. She was on her street. The driver was the one outnumbered. There was plenty of space for the ICE agent to escape the danger. If she isn't shot she drives away and no violence occurs.

Babbit was trying to go towards the confrontation. If she isn't shot then violence will occur.



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Their argument was conveyed strictly on principle so in that respect apples to apples (and i don't want to get into debating J6. There's a lot of nuance there.)

I actually think the officer is at fault but she is too. It is a terrible tragedy. In the camera footage, the officer is holding, you can't hear anyone telling her to drive off except for her wife. I'm okay with saying the ICE officer should not have been positioned in front of the vehicle, but she should not have driven into the agent but he definitely should not have fired the last 2 shots

Hindsight is 20/20. Both made mistakes. I have seen a video where a female police officer was crushed to death by a jeep as she was standing in front of the vehicle. Law enforcement is a hard job. And hesitating can lead to death.

I do think it is a tragedy and i have sadness for Nichole Good. I think in some respects she is a victim of a political culture war. I think it was Henry David Thoreau who said "for every thousand hacking at the leaves of evil, there is one striking at the root." I think agitating or interfering with ICE operations is hacking at leaves. They are legitimate federal law enforcement upholding existing law. If you don't like the law, you get the laws changed. Doing anything in the realm of harassing law enforcement will just lead to more of this
 
Tom Pitt said:
Their argument was conveyed strictly on principle so in that respect apples to apples (and i don't want to get into debating J6. There's a lot of nuance there.)

I actually think the officer is at fault but she is too. It is a terrible tragedy. In the camera footage, the officer is holding, you can't hear anyone telling her to drive off except for her wife. I'm okay with saying the ICE officer should not have been positioned in front of the vehicle, but she should not have driven into the agent but he definitely should not have fired the last 2 shots

Hindsight is 20/20. Both made mistakes. I have seen a video where a female police officer was crushed to death by a jeep as she was standing in front of the vehicle. Law enforcement is a hard job. And hesitating can lead to death.

I do think it is a tragedy and i have sadness for Nichole Good. I think in some respects she is a victim of a political culture war. I think it was Henry David Thoreau who said "for every thousand hacking at the leaves of evil, there is one striking at the root." I think agitating or interfering with ICE operations is hacking at leaves. They are legitimate federal law enforcement upholding existing law. If you don't like the law, you get the laws changed. Doing anything in the realm of harassing law enforcement will just lead to more of this
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Ya trying to make the babbit situation the same as this one just doesn't work. Good try though.

Similarly, trying to make past presidents immigration policies the same the current one just doesn't work. Also a good try though (this isn't directed at you)

I know y'all love a " both sides" defense or a " what about" defense to justify things though. Classic
 
fishonjazz said:
Ya trying to make the babbit situation the same as this one just doesn't work. Good try though.

Similarly, trying to make past presidents immigration policies the same the current one just doesn't work. Also a good try though (this isn't directed at you)

I know y'all love a " both sides" defense or a " what about" defense to justify things though. Classic
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all i am saying is there argument was on principle. It's human nature. We all have bias and due to several factors like life experience, friends and family on some level, echo chambers, etc, combined with our own world view and value system, we take what we see and make judgements. It is very human that those judgements are biased at least to some extent.

I saw after Kirk was killed, scores of people celebrating and saying things like Hitler is dead. Nazi, etc. (and i have not seen any conservatives celebrating Good's death. Perhaps you have. But it certainly seemed to be much more jubilant when Kirk was killed) the truth is Kirk wasn't a Nazi. He had run of the mill conservative beliefs. May of his beliefs were advocated by democrats just 15 or ao years ago. And you could disagree, but disagreeing never meant he was worthy of being murdered in cold blood. Now I know some people on here probably think he was worthy of being murdered because he was an outspoken conservative, and that's a huge problem in a democratic republic. The irony is that it is fascist lol. But humans are capable of incredible cognitive dissonance. Just like George Orwell illustrated in 1984 with the concept of doublethink. On the contrary and to his credit, Kirk never believed anyone should be silenced for his/her beliefs and he was taken out of context which again is a human problem, not a right or left problem. Kirk's fundemental belief was very American: namely that bad ideas could be defeated by better ideas. Now i would argue neoliberalism has become dogmatic and i think it is because some of those neoliberalist ideas do not hold up to scrutiny.

Bottom line, to say conservatives are always wrong and liberals are always right is as naive as saying liberals are always wrong and conservatives are always right. But it is natural for us to feel this way at times even for moments. The dehumanization is where it gets problematic. Calling conservatives like Charlie Kirk, Kristin Noem or all ICE officers nazi's is problematic and nowhere near true. Can the left ever go too far, FishonJazz? If they can where is the line and why won't they draw on a line in the sand between the moderate leftists and the radicals? I would argue, the conservatives do have more of a clear line. I think it is obvious and a lot of that is because the West has a much more robust immune system against the far right than the far left in a post WW2 era. But that will fade and what I am concerned about is that we will live in a leftist authoritarian or right wing authoritarian society at some point in my lifetime. And saying Trump is the sole reason is not accurate imo
 
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Tom Pitt said:
all i am saying is there argument was on principle. It's human nature. We all have bias and due to several factors like life experience, friends and family on some level, echo chambers, etc, combined with our own world view and value system, we take what we see and make judgements. It is very human that those judgements are biased at least to some extent.

I saw after Kirk was killed, scores of people celebrating and saying things like Hitler is dead. Nazi, etc. (and i have not seen any conservatives celebrating Good's death. Perhaps you have. But it certainly seemed to be much more jubilant when Kirk was killed) the truth is Kirk wasn't a Nazi. He had run of the mill conservative beliefs. May of his beliefs were advocated by democrats just 15 or ao years ago. And you could disagree, but disagreeing never meant he was worthy of being murdered in cold blood. Now I know some people on here probably think he was worthy of being murdered because he was an outspoken conservative, and that's a huge problem in a democratic republic. The irony is that it is fascist lol. But humans are capable of incredible cognitive dissonance. Just like George Orwell illustrated in 1984 with the concept of doublethink. On the contrary and to his credit, Kirk never believed anyone should be silenced for his/her beliefs and he was taken out of context which again is a human problem, not a right or left problem. Kirk's fundemental belief was very American: namely that bad ideas could be defeated by better ideas. Now i would argue neoliberalism has become dogmatic and i think it is because some of those neoliberalist ideas do not hold up to scrutiny.

Bottom line, to say conservatives are always wrong and liberals are always right is as naive as saying liberals are always wrong and conservatives are always right. But it is natural for us to feel this way at times even for moments. The dehumanization is where it gets problematic. Calling conservatives like Charlie Kirk nazi's is problematic and nowhere near true. Can the left ever go to Far, FishonJazz? If they can where is the line and why won't they draw on a line in the sand between the moderate leftists and the radicals? I would argue, the conservatives do have a line. I think it is obvious and a lot of that is because the West has a much more robust immune system against the far right than the far left in a post WW2 era. But that will fade and what I am concerned about is that we will live in a leftist authoritarian or right wing authoritarian society at some point in my lifetime. And saying Trump is the sole reason is not accurate imo
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No idea what you are talking about.
How was their principle the same?
 
If you don't want to clarify, then I'm fine with that.
 
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