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For all those that believe the propaganda that illegals don’t vote.
By all means fact-check the following. It is AI:

Based on recent estimates and research, the vast majority of the approximately 11 to 13.7 million undocumented individuals (or unauthorized immigrants) living in the United States are law-abiding residents who are economically active and living as neighbors in communities across the country.


Here is a breakdown of the data regarding the characteristics of this population:

  • Workforce Participation: An estimated 74% to 80% of the undocumented population is employed, with approximately 7.6 million to 8.3 million working in the U.S. labor force. They make up just under 5% of the total U.S. workforce.
  • Law-Abiding Status: Research indicates that undocumented immigrants are, on average, less likely to commit crimes or be incarcerated than native-born U.S. citizens. One study found that undocumented immigrants have a 41% lower criminal conviction rate than native-born Americans.
  • Long-Term Residents: The majority of this population has deep roots in the U.S. Roughly 79% of unauthorized immigrants have resided in the United States for a decade or more.
  • Family and Community Ties: About 38% of undocumented immigrants (roughly 3.9 million) are parents of U.S. citizen children, and 16% are married to a U.S. citizen or legal permanent resident.
  • Economic Contribution: Undocumented immigrants are concentrated in industries such as construction, agriculture, hospitality, and manufacturing. They contributed an estimated $100 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2024.
While illegal entry into the United States is a violation of federal law, the vast majority of the undocumented population does not commit other, more serious crimes while living in the country.
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So, this is a lot more contextual than “illegals” I prefer “undocumented human beings”, which, considering Stephen Miller’s chosen method for deporting them is via a militarized above the law police force, is the least anyone can do to push back every effort to demonize and dehumanize them. The least we can do is acknowledge their humanity.

Reports have frequently mentioned Miller having meltdowns over not meeting the daily quota of 3000 arrests. He’s in a hurry, given the 11 million plus he wants removed. Given the true nuance of those millions of undocumented human beings, (and I get it that Trump did not run on any such context/nuance and Miller doesn’t care),when your chosen method is sending small armies into selected cities to perform what we see and what citizens there experience, it will indeed result in this:


View: https://x.com/maddenifico/status/2017729946580344986


Which is why going about things this way is so dumb. Trump understood the human nature of the particular flock he sought, by appealing to anger and hate, and he did so from day 1 in 2015. Appealing to people’s darker angels. And you lack the ability to even recognize that is what he was doing. A transparent con artist.

But somebody dropped the ball, Miller at the least, for not understanding human nature also has higher angels. People who care about their neighbors, and simply don’t like seeing the militarized violence toward citizen and non citizen alike are listening to their own higher angels. If one is on a crusade to rid America of everyone one’s white nationalism despises, chances are one’s darker angels have the reins. I think Stephen Miller forgot how much people really don’t like bullies, how many are willing to say “this is not America. This is not who we are”.

Appealing to anger and hate, letting the word “illegals” erase any closer look at who you are hurting, that does not work with all Americans.

Some of us are actually decent human beings.

And you don’t recognize it, or care in the least if you do, no more than Miller ever would. Cruelty is the point. You’ve slammed what you think America before Trump was ad nauseum.. But you don’t recognize a militarized police state in the making. That flies over your head. You don’t catch the hint when the cry baby gets ready for another sleight of hand with our elections.

I see citizens who care about their country, and for all our faults in our actions at times, still believe in all our ideals. These are the times when that happens. When people actually stand up for what is right. These are the times that try men’s souls, yes they are, and in our time, and these are the people that respond and say no to your style of ignorance. Some of us see human beings. You see “illegals”, and fascist mentalities don’t need more than that label. You’re bloviating from the wrong side of history.


View: https://x.com/zazzybritches/status/2018806905892933640


I don’t believe your history is a real history at all. Seems more like grievance than reality. You seem to believe in Trump’s “Hellhole America”. It doesn’t really exist. It was never anything but an excuse, a sleight of hand, bloviated in his daily tweets, while he fills his pocket with the greatest open display of graft at the highest level ever seen. Maybe you favor Miller’s fascist ethno-state as well. That’s Miller’s aim, so it’s the money grubber and the white nationalist. That’s a team for the ages, destined to have a very unhappy end methinks.

Far too many Americans understand that we are better than this.

Not good to sleepwalk through the history of one’s own lifetime.
 
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Yet again would this be happening if we didn’t have a brain dead president with horrific open border policies for the last 4 years?
I’m not happy about the issues Ice is having but for every person injured by ice there’s an American citizen that’s been murdered, defrauded, or injured by an illegal.
If ****** democrat senators would cooperate we would not be having these issues. How do you explain all the deportations in red states that aren’t having issues?
If you cared about illegals you wouldn’t want them breaking the law to get here either. If you think the sick elite pedophiles in the Epstein files are exploiting children and not illegal immigrants you are completely naive. Just look at how waltz has used them for his corruption and fraud. Do you think that’s helping the Somali community?
 
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@Mongoose, it looks like most Americans don’t really want concentration camps in the United States. Wrong side of history by the looks of it. From the start, and every time you post, you stand for what is ugly in America, you promote hatred of “illegals”, relishing in your dehuminization of them. One of the pundits last night mentioned how this ugly chapter in American history will be looked at as a dark time when we allowed our darker angels to dictate our behavior. Hopefully, we won’t match the extremes of other fascistic eruptions. I know we will come to our senses someday. Some of us had our good sense and understanding of what was happening from day one.


When Stephen Miller offered his first big rollout of Donald Trump’s immigration agenda during the 2024 campaign, he demonstrated great enthusiasm for the idea of giant migrant camps. He gushed about creating “vast holding facilities” built on “open land,” which would enable Trump to escalate the volume and speed of deportations to unprecedented heights. Trembling with excitement, Miller vowed: “President Trump will do whatever it takes.”

But a funny thing has happened with Miller’s authoritarian fever dreams. As plans for these new detention facilities have become public, they’re encountering opposition in some very unlikely places. Notably, that includes regions that backed Trump in 2024.

Which in turn captures something essential about this moment: The public backlash unleashed by Trump’s immigration agenda runs far deeper than revulsion at imagery of ICE violence. It’s now seemingly coalescing against the goal of mass removals as a broader ideological project.

We’re now learning that this year, ICE plans to retrofit around two dozen vast new facilities. In keeping with Trump-Miller’s visions, ICE vows to detain an additional 80,000 people in them. Some will reportedly hold up to 10,000 detainees apiece. In other words, the Trump-Miller threat to create a system of new detention camps is just getting underway in earnest.

To put a ghoulish twist on the oft-discussed ideal of bureaucratic “capacity,” this will allow Trump and Miller to imprison and then deport vastly more people a whole lot faster. Right now, more than 70,000 migrants are languishing in detention—a record—but the administration is running out of space. Add another 80,000 beds and it would supercharge expulsion capacity.

Yet these detention dreams are hitting stiff opposition. ICE wants to buy a warehouse in Virginia’s Hanover County, which went for Trump by 26 points in 2024 and combines rural territory with Richmond’s northern suburbs. Residents recently turned out in force and angrily condemnedthe proposed sale, with local reports suggesting only a “handful” backed it. The GOP-heavy Board of Supervisors opposed the transaction. The warehouse owner canceled the sale.

Meanwhile, in New Jersey, the Republican-dominated Roxbury Township Council, in slightly-Trump-leaning Morris County, recentlyvoted unanimously to oppose ICE’s plans to buy a warehouse there, with some locals sharply protesting the scheme for humanitarian reasons. The Republican mayor of Oklahoma City came out against a proposed ICE warehouse, with the owner also nixing the sale. Officials in places like Kansas City, Missouri and Salt Lake City, Utah are also dead set against plans for ICE camps in their locales.

Guess what: The opposition is only getting started. As MS NOW’s Rachel Maddow noted in a useful overview of the opposition Monday night, we’re already seeing mass protests outside existing facilities. Those are smaller than some of the gargantuan new camps ICE hopes to create, yet migrant deaths are already soaring in the current facilities, and the bigger ones will be even worse. “If they build them, they will fill them,” Maddow said, labeling them “prison camps.” She added: “How do you think those facilities are going to be run?”

The pushback has come together surprisingly quickly. What explains this? A bizarrely overlooked finding in a recent Pew Research poll sheds some light: It finds that a huge majority of Americans oppose mass immigrant detention. The wording is critical here:

Do you favor or oppose keeping large numbers of immigrants in detention centers while their cases are decided?

Favor: 35 percent

Oppose: 64 percent
Note that huge majorities are against keeping immigrants in detention while their cases are being decided. This is a decisive repudiation of a key pillar of MAGA ideology. Trump and Miller have long treated the release of immigrants awaiting court dates as something akin to profound national humiliation, even a harbinger of cultural decay and civilizational decline.

But the broad American mainstream—including 59 percent of white voters in the Pew poll—appears to oppose detaining them. With majorities also opposing deporting non-criminal undocumented immigrants and longtime residents, that MAGA understanding is just not widely shared. For Trumpworld, mass detention isn’t merely about facilitating deportations. It’s also supposed to correct the grievous national wound that previous presidents inflicted by releasing migrants into the interior. Is it really possible that majorities are actually okay with such a horror? Apparently it is.

 
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