If Kanter and Williams are gone by #3, take Jimmer

[Chris]

I'm finding that the general consensus is that there's a huge dropoff in talent after the first few picks. If Cleveland actually makes the wise decision for their franchise (I hope they don't) and takes Kanter first, I do believe that the T-Wolves (or whomever they trade their pick to) will take Derrick Williams. That means that Kyrie Irving will be available, which, for many, will make him the obvious choice.

However, I've been thinking about how much Jimmer is impressing at his workouts. Also, I love the stones on this kid challenging the other top guards to working out with him head-to-head. I also don't think it's a coincidence that he will potentially be doing this in front of the Jazz brass. I believe that Jimmer will be taken well before the #12 pick (probably by the Kings) and I don't reckon they'll want to give him up. I say this because he is a unique talent. Any team that is willing to draft him relatively high is going to be convinced of how great he could become; thus they will not want to trade him once they get him. I've never seen anyone shoot like he does and he is making it his mission to improve his defense.

Those who know Jimmer's story know about his drive and work ethic. By the time he's 1-2 years into his career, I really don't think any issues he might still have defensively will be what people will be talking about when they discuss Jimmer. They'll be talking about how talented a scorer he is and how undervalued he was going into the draft. Utah will have made a gutsy choice at #3 because they didn't want to risk losing out on such a fine prospect that would be the perfect fit for the team.

At #12, I'm sure we can find a good swingman to fill AK's likely absence. Even though he's more of a shooting guard, I think, with his scoring ability and long arms that Marshon Brooks out of my alma mater Providence College would be a great pickup at the 12 spot.

So, in the event that the top 2 picks go the way I mentioned above, I think this is the best way to make the proverbial lemons into lemonade. Another strategy with this scenario would be the Jazz drafting Irving and trading him to whomever takes Jimmer and getting some more value with additional player(s) from that team while cutting some dead weight of our own in the process.

As far as I'm concerned, I just want to hear Stern announce that the "Utah Jazz select Jimmer Fredette from Brigham Young University." I believe that he will become a cornerstone of this franchise going forward. If Kanter and Williams are gone by 3, I don't care which pick the Jazz use on him.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Did you really think of the reaction making this thread would make. You didn't look for the other 100 draft threads or 100 other Jimmer threads on this site. Do you think you'll get a positive reaction when you posted this thread. Do you think this will be the NICEST response to this thread?

 

[Stifle Tower]

Give the kid a break, he's either fresh back from his mission or he just hacked into his daddy's internet account. The Jimmer love is so cute.

 

[A-Train (old)]

I've never seen anyone shoot like he does and he is making it his mission to improve his defense.

No pun intended I hope...

 

[The Midnight]

So you're basically ranking Jimmer over Knight at this stage?

You may be right, you may be wrong, who knows what their future holds.

Jazz will hold workouts for those guys soon, so we'll soon see. But I don't think KOC and his colleagues are stupid. This is bread and butter for them in my opinion, they should be able to make this simple call.

IMO - I think Knight have more upside:

- He's younger
- He's faster (what you need from a PG)
- He's got a 3pt shot as well
- He can dunk & finish hard at the rim (This is really important IMO - you can't just lay it up and risk getting blocked ALL THE TIME)

So if the Jazz really want a PG - I'd still say Knight.

 

[Park Bites]

Ok the only way Williams and kanter are gone that means Irving is still there I think that makes a no brainer

 

[gregbroncs]

So you're basically ranking Jimmer over Knight at this stage?

You may be right, you may be wrong, who knows what their future holds.

Jazz will hold workouts for those guys soon, so we'll soon see. But I don't think KOC and his colleagues are stupid. This is bread and butter for them in my opinion, they should be able to make this simple call.

IMO - I think Knight have more upside:

- He's younger
- He's faster (what you need from a PG)
- He's got a 3pt shot as well
- He can dunk & finish hard at the rim (This is really important IMO - you can't just lay it up and risk getting blocked ALL THE TIME)

So if the Jazz really want a PG - I'd still say Knight.

Actually he put Jimmer over every other PG in this draft including Irving, Knight and Walker.

 

[trigg3r]

I'm finding that the general consensus is that there's a huge dropoff in talent after the first few picks. If Cleveland actually makes the wise decision for their franchise (I hope they don't) and takes Kanter first, I do believe that the T-Wolves (or whomever they trade their pick to) will take Derrick Williams. That means that Kyrie Irving will be available, which, for many, will make him the obvious choice.

However, I've been thinking about how much Jimmer is impressing at his workouts. Also, I love the stones on this kid challenging the other top guards to working out with him head-to-head. I also don't think it's a coincidence that he will potentially be doing this in front of the Jazz brass. I believe that Jimmer will be taken well before the #12 pick (probably by the Kings) and I don't reckon they'll want to give him up. I say this because he is a unique talent. Any team that is willing to draft him relatively high is going to be convinced of how great he could become; thus they will not want to trade him once they get him. I've never seen anyone shoot like he does and he is making it his mission to improve his defense.

Those who know Jimmer's story know about his drive and work ethic. By the time he's 1-2 years into his career, I really don't think any issues he might still have defensively will be what people will be talking about when they discuss Jimmer. They'll be talking about how talented a scorer he is and how undervalued he was going into the draft. Utah will have made a gutsy choice at #3 because they didn't want to risk losing out on such a fine prospect that would be the perfect fit for the team.

At #12, I'm sure we can find a good swingman to fill AK's likely absence. Even though he's more of a shooting guard, I think, with his scoring ability and long arms that Marshon Brooks out of my alma mater Providence College would be a great pickup at the 12 spot.

So, in the event that the top 2 picks go the way I mentioned above, I think this is the best way to make the proverbial lemons into lemonade. Another strategy with this scenario would be the Jazz drafting Irving and trading him to whomever takes Jimmer and getting some more value with additional player(s) from that team while cutting some dead weight of our own in the process.

As far as I'm concerned, I just want to hear Stern announce that the "Utah Jazz select Jimmer Fredette from Brigham Young University." I believe that he will become a cornerstone of this franchise going forward. If Kanter and Williams are gone by 3, I don't care which pick the Jazz use on him.

You are insane.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

I think you'll find few people, here or elsewhere, who will agree with this argument.

Outside of the Mormon Corridor, the number of people who think Jimmer is #3 worthy is, I imagine, infinitesimally small.

 

[Chris]

Yes, I did put Jimmer over every other point guard in this draft. I want to emphasize that it's because of who Jimmer is in relation to Utah and the fact that I think the Jazz will miss out on getting him with the 12 pick. He belongs in Utah. Obviously, he has a huge talent basketball-wise that we're all familiar with but there's the intangibles too that the Jazz, an organization known for their stability, value more than most teams. For example, he's not going to be a malcontent like D-Will was starting to turn into before he left.

As Jazz fans, we have to understand that there's more to drafting players than JUST talent. Does anyone here honestly think that if we draft a Kyrie Irving or another elite talent in this era's NBA of players dictating pretty much everything that we'll actually be able to hold onto these guys beyond 3-6 years? It's likely, that the D-Will situation (where he actually signed an extension beyond his rookie contract) could very well end up becoming the best case scenario. He was the last player we drafted this high and I just think Jimmer makes the most sense for the Utah Jazz (in particular) at 3 if the scenario shakes down the way I mentioned in the first post. We can all list the players who have been very open about not wanting to play in Utah. And here's Jimmer, with a world of talent, who would love more than anything to play his whole career in Salt Lake City. And that's just one of the reasons that he's a perfect fit for the Jazz at the 3 spot.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Yes, I did put Jimmer over every other point guard in this draft. I want to emphasize that it's because of who Jimmer is in relation to Utah and the fact that I think the Jazz will miss out on getting him with the 12 pick. He belongs in Utah. Obviously, he has a huge talent basketball-wise that we're all familiar with but there's the intangibles too that the Jazz, an organization known for their stability, value more than most teams. For example, he's not going to be a malcontent like D-Will was starting to turn into before he left.

As Jazz fans, we have to understand that there's more to drafting players than JUST talent. Does anyone here honestly think that if we draft a Kyrie Irving or another elite talent in this era's NBA of players dictating pretty much everything that we'll actually be able to hold onto these guys beyond 3-6 years? It's likely, that the D-Will situation (where he actually signed an extension beyond his rookie contract) could very well end up becoming the best case scenario. He was the last player we drafted this high and I just think Jimmer makes the most sense for the Utah Jazz (in particular) at 3 if the scenario shakes down the way I mentioned in the first post. We can all list the players who have been very open about not wanting to play in Utah. And here's Jimmer, with a world of talent, who would love more than anything to play his whole career in Salt Lake City. And that's just one of the reasons that he's a perfect fit for the Jazz at the 3 spot.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

Wait, it gets better.

Jimmer...who would love more than anything to play his whole career in Salt Lake City.

lololololololol

Post of the decade on Jazzfanz.

 

[sportsnut1232]

Yes, I did put Jimmer over every other point guard in this draft. I want to emphasize that it's because of who Jimmer is in relation to Utah and the fact that I think the Jazz will miss out on getting him with the 12 pick. He belongs in Utah. Obviously, he has a huge talent basketball-wise that we're all familiar with but there's the intangibles too that the Jazz, an organization known for their stability, value more than most teams. For example, he's not going to be a malcontent like D-Will was starting to turn into before he left.

As Jazz fans, we have to understand that there's more to drafting players than JUST talent. Does anyone here honestly think that if we draft a Kyrie Irving or another elite talent in this era's NBA of players dictating pretty much everything that we'll actually be able to hold onto these guys beyond 3-6 years? It's likely, that the D-Will situation (where he actually signed an extension beyond his rookie contract) could very well end up becoming the best case scenario. He was the last player we drafted this high and I just think Jimmer makes the most sense for the Utah Jazz (in particular) at 3 if the scenario shakes down the way I mentioned in the first post. We can all list the players who have been very open about not wanting to play in Utah. And here's Jimmer, with a world of talent, who would love more than anything to play his whole career in Salt Lake City. And that's just one of the reasons that he's a perfect fit for the Jazz at the 3 spot.

Dwill had great years for us and made us a playoff team.. and when he acted up we got Favors and this number 3 pick for him. Irving and Knight are both FAR more talented than Jimmer and I believe Knight especially wouldn't mind playing in Utah. If they do act up we can worry about it then.
Selecting a borderline lottery player who probably will never start in the NBA with the number 3 pick would be insanity and most likely set this team back for years.