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If not Flagg or Harper…

Just for context on how good the top 6 are in this draft:

- Tre Johnson, who I currently have at 6 on my board, is averaging 20.9 pts/game. The last freshman to average more than 20 ppg in a major conference was Cade Cunningham in 20/21. Brandon Miller, for example averaged 18.8 ppg on 43/38/86 shooting splits. Tre is averaging 20.9 ppg on 45/39/89.
 
after flagg and harper, i'm still betting bailey. it has been rough for him the last few weeks so i don't blame anybody for pushing him down. but i trust his defense, motor and rebounding and the shooting/scoring is built for the nba and it will come around. i think nba spacing and ball movement will do wonders for him.

tre johnson is making a real push. i probably go flagg, harper, bailey, johnson kj, vj in that order at this point.
 
This is how VJ Edgecombe who is currently 5th on my board compares to other top defensive guard prospects in the past few drafts:

Edgecombe: 15ppg, 5rpg, 3apg 44/36/80 splits, 2.7 stocks

Castle (3rd pick 2024): 11ppg, 5rpg, 3apg 47/27/76 splits, 1.3 stocks

Black (6th pick 2023): 13ppg, 5rpg, 4apg 45/30/71 splits, 2.7 stocks

Daniel's (8th pick 2022) 12ppg, 5rpg, 4apg 45/30/53 splits, 2.7 stocks

Suggs (5th pick 2021) 14ppg, 5rpg, 4apg 50/34/75 splits, 2.2 stocks.
 
It’s just Flagg for me.

If we don’t get him then the rest of the top players are at the same level of disappointment to me. But would obviously be hoping they become great.
 
bigmike said:
I hear you on the MPJ piece and not being able to facilitate. Ace gets the ball and is clearly thinking "score." But he doesn't strike me as the un-serious type. He goes really hard. If anything might need to rein in the emotions a bit (3 technicals this year, lol).
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It took Jayson Tatum until his 3rd year before he began really passing the ball.
 
In my opinion the top 6 in this draft are as good as any other recent draft AND as I said in the draft thread, there is still a chance it becomes a top 7 if Traore can play as well as he has for the past 10 games.
 
Curious about Liam Mcneeley if the Jazz fall to the 5-7 range. He has moved up in some of the mock drafts. I assume he would leave U Conn.

While I know the Jazz will say "Best Player Available" I still wonder if they would look for a better option at PG. I like Collier but he is on the shorter side and needs to improve his shot. Maybe another year or two will satisfy any concerns but Jakucionis may be an option. I just think the Jazz are relatively loaded with older veterans in the front court as well as a couple of 1st and 2nd year players.

I am also intrigued by Rasheer Fleming with the T-Wolves pick. That may be too many bigs on the roster, but they have to take somebody.
 
Losing Interest said:
Curious about Liam Mcneeley if the Jazz fall to the 5-7 range. He has moved up in some of the mock drafts. I assume he would leave U Conn.

While I know the Jazz will say "Best Player Available" I still wonder if they would look for a better option at PG. I like Collier but he is on the shorter side and needs to improve his shot. Maybe another year or two will satisfy any concerns but Jakucionis may be an option. I just think the Jazz are relatively loaded with older veterans in the front court as well as a couple of 1st and 2nd year players.

I am also intrigued by Rasheer Fleming with the T-Wolves pick. That may be too many bigs on the roster, but they have to take somebody.
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McNeeley at 7 could be justifiable, but he's not a top 6 prospect in this draft.

Fleming with the T-Wolves pick would be great. I would love that.
 
Losing Interest said:
Curious about Liam Mcneeley if the Jazz fall to the 5-7 range. He has moved up in some of the mock drafts. I assume he would leave U Conn.

While I know the Jazz will say "Best Player Available" I still wonder if they would look for a better option at PG. I like Collier but he is on the shorter side and needs to improve his shot. Maybe another year or two will satisfy any concerns but Jakucionis may be an option. I just think the Jazz are relatively loaded with older veterans in the front court as well as a couple of 1st and 2nd year players.

I am also intrigued by Rasheer Fleming with the T-Wolves pick. That may be too many bigs on the roster, but they have to take somebody.
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The fact that McNeeley is even mentioned near the Top 15 is a joke.

The only role where he can score in the NBA is a spot up shooter. And since he won't be able to guard anyone, he's gonna be a 8th or 9th man specialist who won't play much.
 
Tremendous Upside said:
The fact that McNeeley is even mentioned near the Top 15 is a joke.

The only role where he can score in the NBA is a spot up shooter. And since he won't be able to guard anyone, he's gonna be a 8th or 9th man specialist who won't play much.
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VJ is only available to pick for one team. 59 other players will have to be selected. We know you think they all suck, but they will get drafted anyway.
 
Let's set a few things straight.

First, San Antonio has fallen far enough in the standings to make it easy for the NBA to make sure they get the first pick and Wemby becomes the star he is destined to be with a stellar side-kick to help him, and San Antonio rises back to the top, satisfying millions of fans and generating more revenue. Propping up storied franchises is always the most prudent move financially, both for the franchise and the league.

Next, Utah is fully aware of the first point and will gladly take the 4th-6th spot as they get pushed out through the lottery. Utah fans keep paying, even when we suck, so why bother giving them a higher pick when there are more profitable franchises that need the talent to bring in max dollars, like the 76'ers, who will also miraculously jump into the top 3, and likely either the Suns or Bulls. But the smart money is on the Mavs jumping up as part of their compensation package for boosting LA.

And of course this all drives the dollars for the NBA for the long haul. Get some solid talent to the revenue generating teams. Utah gets the bycatch.

So the discussion should be, who can we get at the 4th-6th spots that might make a difference as we play 2nd fiddle (or 4th or 8th fiddle) to the Spurs and Lakers for the next decade?
 
LogGrad98 said:
Let's set a few things straight.

First, San Antonio has fallen far enough in the standings to make it easy for the NBA to make sure they get the first pick and Wemby becomes the star he is destined to be with a stellar side-kick to help him, and San Antonio rises back to the top, satisfying millions of fans and generating more revenue. Propping up storied franchises is always the most prudent move financially, both for the franchise and the league.

Next, Utah is fully aware of the first point and will gladly take the 4th-6th spot as they get pushed out through the lottery. Utah fans keep paying, even when we suck, so why bother giving them a higher pick when there are more profitable franchises that need the talent to bring in max dollars, like the 76'ers, who will also miraculously jump into the top 3, and likely either the Suns or Bulls. But the smart money is on the Mavs jumping up as part of their compensation package for boosting LA.

And of course this all drives the dollars for the NBA for the long haul. Get some solid talent to the revenue generating teams. Utah gets the bycatch.

So the discussion should be, who can we get at the 4th-6th spots that might make a difference as we play 2nd fiddle (or 4th or 8th fiddle) to the Spurs and Lakers for the next decade?
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Sigh...
 
LogGrad98 said:
No really, the conspiracies are real!
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I don't think so. I honestly think that its all luck and randomness based with odds skewed ever so slightly to the worse teams. Just like they say.
 
fishonjazz said:
I don't think so. I honestly think that its all luck and randomness based with odds skewed ever so slightly to the worse teams. Just like they say.
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Oh to be young and naive! I envy you your rosy outlook Mr. Fish.
 
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