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in a espn chat someone brought up the following

I got called a homer for this a couple weeks ago but I'ma say it again

Evans >>>>> Hayward.

I might have given credit to Hayward if he woulda finished his dunk last night but NOPE.
 
I agree, mellow. I think there is a noticeable difference between his body language now and at the beginning of the season. His head is out of it (or, rather, too far into it). He needs to be sent to the D-League, pronto.

I've been rooting for Hayward since the three days it took me to stop brutally hating the pick, but, right now, I want to see a lot less of him.

EDIT -- I stand by my statements from earlier this year: one of these rookies needs to contribute something THIS YEAR. It's obviously not going to be Hayward. So, can Evans? How can/should we use him? I've suggested starting him at the 3 and moving AK to the defensive 2. I know this is a stretch. Any other ideas? The point of starting him is that he seems to be a great 5th option. Moving Raja to the second unit makes some sense in terms of shooting and scoring distribution.
 
Shad said:
I got called a homer for this a couple weeks ago but I'ma say it again

Evans >>>>> Hayward.

I might have given credit to Hayward if he woulda finished his dunk last night but NOPE.
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I thought he got fouled on the play but I agree he should have finished the dunk.
 
I'm losing faith, not even a glimpse of being an NBA player yet. At this point I would just like to see some practice footage of him making some 3's to know their is at least some potential.
 
NUMBERICA said:
What are you basing this on? Hayward's vanilla dunk on a fast break, or his SICK fail attempt last night? Hayward jumps higher than Morrison, but that's all he has a clear edge on (and that probably matters least for a perimeter player), if athletic testing at the combine means anything. Morrison's lane agility drills were better and his 3/4 sprint speed is practically identical. Morrison also has a 2" reach advantage. Whether you want to compare Morrison pre-injury or post, take your pick. He wasn't good before he got injured, either.

Hayward isn't and never has been athletic by NBA standards. If he doesn't learn to shoot, he'll be out of the league the first chance a team has to dump his salary. He doesn't have the size, strength, or athleticism to make anything happen the way Brewer or Evans does. Homers of his can bookmark this and come back to it and point and laugh if I'm wrong, but if he makes anything happen, he has to be a shooting threat first.

Send him Hornacek, and send him to the D-League.
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Still stand by him being more athletic and he can shoot. He was quite good his Freshman year. Does it mean anything to you that KOC came right out of the gate and said it will be two years before he is really NBA ready? Clearly the pick was not made for him to help us win a championship this year. By the way I was an Ed Davis man. So not exactly a big Hayward homer.
 
Once he learns the offense I think he will be solid. You can see Dwill has to point to him where to go constantly.
 
Sloan needs to start Ronnie Price and end this fiasco of starting Hayward. It's rough to watch someone struggle as much as he does. This isn't a tough call to make, but HE IS A BUST!
 
sojodave said:
Sloan needs to start Ronnie Price and end this fiasco of starting Hayward. It's rough to watch someone struggle as much as he does. This isn't a tough call to make, but HE IS A BUST!
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Right, one quarter into the season of his first year at the age of 20 and you know this for sure. Why are you not a GM or something?
 
Dwill_PwnasaurasRex said:
Once he learns the offense I think he will be solid. You can see Dwill has to point to him where to go constantly.
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did anyone else notice the prolonged discussion/debate/argument that deron and gordon had above the key while another jazzman was shooting FTs, i think in the 2nd half? for a bit, it really seemed like they were going at it.
 
NCJazz said:
Still stand by him being more athletic and he can shoot. He was quite good his Freshman year. Does it mean anything to you that KOC came right out of the gate and said it will be two years before he is really NBA ready? Clearly the pick was not made for him to help us win a championship this year. By the way I was an Ed Davis man. So not exactly a big Hayward homer.
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I think KOC said that because he didn't want to draft Hayward. KOC has said ad nauseam that his primary goal is to make the team longer and more athletic. Evans was obviously his hard work and his pick. I believe ownership was mesmerized and bedazzled by a dork on a hot-streak in the NCAA tournament and they drove the decision to get Hayward. Most were shocked Hayward went that high, but no one was shocked that the Jazz picked him. KOC saying "give him two years" was giving the organization some room on people reacting to the reality of the situation and hopefully keeping some value alive longer than it should in case he has to pull the rip chord.

Even though Hayward has been nightmarishly bad, I won't say he's a bust. He will be if he can't find his shot, his rhythm, and his heart, though.
 
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