"In retrospect, King won the Williams' trade in a landslide."
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Either Mo or Marvin could have been had for trade exception. Or even expiring contract of Okur. So, we could have easily had Marvin as well. Or if KOC just matched Portland offer for Wes, we would have had Wes. KOC could have easily managed the team to have a rotation something like this:
PG - Deron, Watson, Tinsley
SG- Hayward, Burks
SF - Marvin, Burks
PF - Millsap, Evans, Marvin
C- Jefferson, Koufos/Fess/Etc...
This is A LOT better than what we have today, and a lot more competitive. And we could use valuable assets we have (Millsap, Hayward, etc) to improve the roster further and get into contention. It’s basically same starting line-up as we have today, except instead of average starter (back-up on a lot of teams) we have a superstar, the best at his position. This is enormous upgrade over what we have today and gets us a lot closer to contention that we are right now. Right now we need a miracle just to get on the level where we could have been if King did not rape KOC in Deron deal.
I like Deron a lot, but you are kidding yourself if 32 year old Deron is going to be able to get 30 mil a year. It is MUCH MUCH better to be 33 with 30 mil extra than 32 without and look for a new contract. It's enormous difference. Yes, there was a risk. But the reward would have been having the best PG in the League over some bench players. A superstar. How long do you think it is going to take for us to get a player like that again? No one will trade us 28 year old superstar, the best in the position for bench players. We would have to get back into lottery and get very very lucky there to have a player like this again. How many years do you think this will take? That's how many years this trade just set us back.
Chris Paul, basically same quality as Deron, just got traded for Eric Gordon, who is younger at 23 and already averaged 22 ppg + lottery picks and scrubs. And everyone said LA Clips still won. We didn't get anywhere near that quality. King plain and simple raped KOC.
The Nets played most of the previous season without Deron, and almost all of last season without Brook Lopez.
The vast majority of the time, the team that gets the best player "wins" the trade if you are so small-minded you have to look at this in such a light.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
Sorry, the trade exception would NOT have occurred without the Deron trade. Call it serendipity if you like, but NJ was DESPERATE after Lopez went down because they felt Deron would think they weren't interested in winning. That is what enabled KOC to ship out Memo wihtout taking back any salary. So no trade exception without the trade and Lopez injury. Jazz would have let Memo's contract expire. And Okur got hurt; he was worth ZERO after just a couple of weeks.
Without the Deron trade, we would not have had an asset Atlanta wanted (a PG).
And I'm not asserting that a 33 year old Deron can get $33M. But over the course of 4 years, he can EASILY get $7M-$8M or more per year in endorsements in a larger market vs. Utah. And that's an extremely conservative estimate. So in reality, he earns as much in 4 years as he would in 5 in Utah.
You'll never be convinced Deron was not going to re-sign with the Jazz, despite the overwhelming evidence that he would not. Even Carlos Boozer had better things to say than Deron. Carlos mentioned a raise, regardless, which indicated he was just about the money. Deron never said anything similar. And if you recdall, the Jazz DID offer him a 5 year deal when they had the chance. But he chose 3 instead.
Joe Bagadonuts
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I'm sure you have a great explanation for the reasons Deron signed the shortest deal available to him when his rookie contract expired. The chances that he was going to resign with Utah were minimal at best, despite your imaginations. There's no doubt that the Nets saved themselves in this deal by talking him into signing, though. The trade would have been a nightmare embarrassment for them if they hadn't pulled that off.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
An extra $30M PLUS the bright lights of New York PLUS the additional endorsement money he gets from playing in Crooklyn = re-signing with the Nets vs. returning to Dallas as the home town hero. Make no mistake: his original intent was to play out his contract and then go to Dallas and form a big-3 with Nowitzki and Howard. Being traded to New Jersey opened up a different alternative: earning even more money by playing in New York. I think Deron felt a bit betrayed by Howard's decision to remain in Orlando. And that decision also affected Utah. KOC had a deal in place to free up salary space for Brooklyn via trading CJ and/or Raja and possibly Howard.
Credit Brooklyn for telling Orlando's new GM to go pound sand. He wanted too much for Dwight and wasn't interested in pulling the trigger. So the Nets go with Lopez and Humphries instead, while adding Johnson and Wallace. Personally, I don't think that lineup has a shot at a title, but it does make the Nets relevant again and will fill the seats at their new arena.
What are the odds DWill's trick wrist flares up and this dude changes his mind.
When all involved players are out of the league, let's revisit this.
When all involved players are out of the league, let's revisit this.
DWill plays at a high level and is a complete PG. The problem is that having a player like that doesn't always translate to more wins or playoff wins if the rest of the team isn't built out around him. The jury is out on whether a team with a max-paid PG can really contend. Stockton, Kevin Johnson, Payton, Kidd, Iverson, and Billups got to the finals 9x combined, but only Billups got a ring out of it.
margodydek
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This is true if you live in a vacuum.
UGLI baby
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That would suck.