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When hayward leaves this ofseason. the fuinny part is we never saw c4 and or c5, tried out.

we needed to develop them from the bench so in total we only got to see them less then 0.1% of the time.

bra-****ing-vo


atleast OKC saw there core play together a lot before harden left
 
When hayward leaves this ofseason. the fuinny part is we never saw c4 and or c5, tried out.

we needed to develop them from the bench so in total we only got to see them less then 0.1% of the time.

bra-****ing-vo


atleast OKC saw there core play together a lot before harden left


While I agree with your sentiment, it should be pointed out that Harden only started 7 games in his time with OKC, and Alec has started 8 this year. The difference is Harden was getting 22 mpg his rookie year, and 27 mpg (what Alec is getting now) his second year, then 31 mpg in his third.

It is a shame that the Core 5 has logged less than a full game worth of action as a lineup this year.
 
So dutch, you have inside info that Hayward is leaving?

And dutch and SF,
Do you believe Ginobili is (and has been) a core player for SA despite the fact he doesn't start? There have been many teams that you would point to their roster and pick out 4 starters and the 6th man as their "Core5."

I think that's the model Lindsey wants to achieve.
 
So dutch, you have inside info that Hayward is leaving?

And dutch and SF,
Do you believe Ginobili is (and has been) a core player for SA despite the fact he doesn't start? There have been many teams that you would point to their roster and pick out 4 starters and the 6th man as their "Core5."

I think that's the model Lindsey wants to achieve.


Ginobili doesn't start anymore because he is old and they are trying to save him for games that count. In 2010-11 he started for the Spurs all season, as he did from 04-06, and then about half the time a bunch of other seasons.

It is common for older vets to take up bench roles to save themselves for the playoffs. It is less common for young emerging talent to never get the chance on depleted teams. Burks coming off the bench so RJ can start is predetermining his role/future.

In the case of OKC and Harden, they had KD and Westbrook, so having Harden come off the bench to be more ball dominant made sense. We don't have players like KD or Westbrook, so why have we established our young guys' roles so prematurely? OKC knew Harden was good, but not this good, and it probably cost them the title last year. We are walking an even more treacherous path with Burks and Kanter since they are rapidly approaching the end of their rookie contracts with a lot of unanswered questions about what their real ceilings are.
 
We are walking an even more treacherous path with Burks and Kanter since they are rapidly approaching the end of their rookie contracts with a lot of unanswered questions about what their real ceilings are.
I disagree with you there. I think Utah knows exactly what they have in Kanter and Burks. And it's not a "treacherous path" to be approaching the end of their contracts as they will be RFA's.

What do I think Burks can average if he gets 30 mins (whether as a starter or 6th man)? He's at 14/per now in 27 mins. Give him more touches in an extra 5 mins. and he could bump that up to 18-20 points. There's no question.

Kanter? Offensive stud, but gets lost on defense. Is not a rim protector. Has shown for 2 years he can dominate 2nd-stringers. It's not like he's wasting away on the bench; he's averaging 25 mins/per. I can almost guarantee he'll be the odd man out. Due to his size, some team is going to overpay and start him at the 5. I see the Jazz going with Favors/Gobert at center and using stretch-4's.
 
While I agree with your sentiment, it should be pointed out that Harden only started 7 games in his time with OKC, and Alec has started 8 this year. The difference is Harden was getting 22 mpg his rookie year, and 27 mpg (what Alec is getting now) his second year, then 31 mpg in his third.

It is a shame that the Core 5 has logged less than a full game worth of action as a lineup this year.

atleast those logged time TOGETHER!
there was enough when the 3(4main if you count guys ibaka) shared the court
 
atleast those logged time TOGETHER!
there was enough when the 3(4main if you count guys ibaka) shared the court

So Jazz have had Burke, Favors and Hayward log all their time together.

What if Kanter isn't considered by Lindsey to be a "core" player?
 
I disagree with you there. I think Utah knows exactly what they have in Kanter and Burks. And it's not a "treacherous path" to be approaching the end of their contracts as they will be RFA's.

What do I think Burks can average if he gets 30 mins (whether as a starter or 6th man)? He's at 14/per now in 27 mins. Give him more touches in an extra 5 mins. and he could bump that up to 18-20 points. There's no question.

Kanter? Offensive stud, but gets lost on defense. Is not a rim protector. Has shown for 2 years he can dominate 2nd-stringers. It's not like he's wasting away on the bench; he's averaging 25 mins/per. I can almost guarantee he'll be the odd man out. Due to his size, some team is going to overpay and start him at the 5. I see the Jazz going with Favors/Gobert at center and using stretch-4's.



wtf harpring boler and boner dont even know what they have in kanter after scoring 25 points 2 games in a row kanter gets 7 first half minutes.

seriously WTF htey dont know **** about kanter.

fact is hayward and favors are getting pimped
burks is generally liked.

but kanter can do no right.
 
So Jazz have had Burke, Favors and Hayward log all their time together.

What if Kanter isn't considered by Lindsey to be a "core" player?

if he is not, the he is not.
but why have we not tried them together. kanter has more offenisve potential than any bigman.
favors seems to be a defensive BEAST.

duncan and rboinsno where twin towers. unstroppbale force.
ofcourse robinson and duncan both had offense and defense.


but we dont know how favors and kanter play together.

a kanter that is not being yanked for farting on the court. who gets the chance to play through his sucky games.
like Rjefferson gets to play through consitently sucking
 
I disagree with you there. I think Utah knows exactly what they have in Kanter and Burks. And it's not a "treacherous path" to be approaching the end of their contracts as they will be RFA's.

I think Kanter is still a mystery to the FO. They know he's studly offensively, but they haven't studied him as a starter with a healthy roster. They don't know if him and Favors could work together and be successful if all the other teammates were healthy. They know he was touch, but they don't even know if he can shoot the 3 ball in games (Turkish national coach swears he can). They haven't tried a different defensive scheme to hide his deficiencies like Bulls did for Boozer, and Charlotte's done for Al (both were blamed for our bad defense, yet both play on top tier defensive teams now).

Yes, they will be RFA's. But just because you have the ability to keep them, doesn't mean you know why you should keep them, or for how much. Utah doesn't get a discount when they sign their rookies, they pay the premium. If you're forced to pay more than a play is worth, you should have enough data to be truly informed where you should draw the line.

What do I think Burks can average if he gets 30 mins (whether as a starter or 6th man)? He's at 14/per now in 27 mins. Give him more touches in an extra 5 mins. and he could bump that up to 18-20 points. There's no question.

I agree, that's highly achievable. But, is that his ceiling? What can he do at 36 mpg playing all of his minutes against starters? What would a faster tempo offense do for his game? What would having time with ALL of the C5 at once do to his game? How does he defend in the 1st quarter vs the 4th?

Kanter? Offensive stud, but gets lost on defense. Is not a rim protector. Has shown for 2 years he can dominate 2nd-stringers. It's not like he's wasting away on the bench; he's averaging 25 mins/per. I can almost guarantee he'll be the odd man out. Due to his size, some team is going to overpay and start him at the 5. I see the Jazz going with Favors/Gobert at center and using stretch-4's.

Many fans view him as the odd man out. In Dennis Lindsey's most recent 1280 interview when asked about Kanter's defense, Lindsey says he (DL) should take the blame for a big portion of it for not getting other players around him who could play defense. That sounds like Lindsey is high on Kanter because of what he does offensively, even if Corbin isn't (because Corbin is being evaluated on how well he can build a defense).

You say you know Kanter can dominate 2nd string bigs, but wouldn't you like to know more? In Favors' absence Kanter shined offensively scoring 25 pts back to back. Can he do it again? Could he be integrated into the offense if he was encouraged to shoot the 3? Some of his jumpers are just a couple feet inside the arc, is an NBA 3 really so far-fetched given his soft touch?

On some possessions he runs the floor really well, chasing down full court passes, but then on others he looks like Al Jefferson trotting into the frame with 10 seconds left on the shot clock. If the PG's played at a faster pace more consistently, could this inspire him to run?
 
I disagree with you there. I think Utah knows exactly what they have in Kanter and Burks. And it's not a "treacherous path" to be approaching the end of their contracts as they will be RFA's.

How do they know that bro? Alec is 22 and Enes is 21 and both played not much in their pro careers so far. How can anybody possibly know what we have in them?!?! Gordon and Derrick are pretty far in their developments and we know a lots of things about them and I'm not even saying they are finished products, don't get me wrong. They will get better but we know what we get from them. But I'm not so sure about Enes and Alec(and you can easily put Trey in here as well). We saw stretches but IMO it is not enough o tell for sure. But that's just me.

Kanter? Offensive stud, but gets lost on defense. Is not a rim protector. Has shown for 2 years he can dominate 2nd-stringers. It's not like he's wasting away on the bench; he's averaging 25 mins/per. I can almost guarantee he'll be the odd man out. Due to his size, some team is going to overpay and start him at the 5. I see the Jazz going with Favors/Gobert at center and using stretch-4's.

Guess how much minutes he is playing as a bench player...20 minutes! And you said it we know he can dominate 2nd-stringers but we don't know if he can do the same thing as a starter and this season should be the season where we find out but like you said he probably is the odd man out so there is really no point in arguing about him.
 
We probably wouldn't be having this conversation if we didn't have Corbin as the coach -- what a disaster this guy has been.

Only Corbin is dumb enough to not see what the FO wanted. You would think Corbin would know that if he developed the young core his chances of keeping his job would increase.
 
but we dont know how favors and kanter play together.
They've played almost 1800 minutes together. The team generally does better when they don't play together. Corbin is using lineups to maximize the young players' (on-ball) scoring opportunities and likelihood of individual success. This isn't rocket science.
 
Only Corbin is dumb enough to not see what the FO wanted. You would think Corbin would know that if he developed the young core his chances of keeping his job would increase.
What makes you think he isn't developing the "young core"?
 
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