Are you saying that Westbrook isn't an effective player?
Is Favors in the long-term plans at this point?
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Quin's Murderface
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I don't understand how a Jazz fan can live through last season and think that this team is better without Rudy Gobert. The man was a top 10 player last year, and has had to play in the worst lineups possible for him almost the entire year before being injured. He's playing PnR with a rookie who doesn't really know how to play that way yet, and Ricky Rubio who is just an awful offensive player in this system. Nobody said we need to get rid of half the team. We need to get rid of the guys who don't fit the system. Guards have to be able to shoot 3's and be a scoring threat in PnR. The 4 needs to be a 3 point threat to space the floor. The end. That really makes two players that need to change.
radiohegel
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No. I'm pointing to the current underperformance of their little conglomeration of superstars.
As a real response, though, you are either arguing that Rudy Gobert isn't a franchise player because he can't play at his maximal level regardless of the pieces surrounding him, or making a wildly exaggerated claim based on nothing but massive hyperbole. Given the first interpretation, what you are contributing is simply an unbelievably dumb argument. Sadly, the second interpretation is even less sophisticated. All of this is rather unsurprising, however, given the complete lack of quality in your analysis on this issue.
FalseFlagg K
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if you understood basketball you'd know that this year he's super inefficient yes. He's losing them more games than he's winning them.
And please tell me, oh wise one, what has your deeply sophisticated analysis been? That tabasco sauce isn't hot?Thats some deep stuff there. Oh wait, and something about Russell Westbrook not being very good. Both really quality observations. Well done.
Back to the jazz, the results will speak for themselves over the next few weeks. I would absolutely love it if Gobert averaged 30 points and 20 rebounds and we went undefeated the rest of the year. I'm a Jazz fan, I would gladly eat my words in exchange for team success. Unfortunately, I'm afraid I will be proven right on this issue.
radiohegel
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You aren't very good at this. And if you're trolling, you aren't very good at that either; it's not particularly upsetting, just sad.
I have no illusions that DL/Quin/the FO are much more knowledgeable at basketball than any of us here. This doesn't mean they will always be right and we will always be wrong(when there is disagreement with the chosen course of action).
I've been harping on about how horrible Rubio's fit with this team would be for years before we actually traded for him(when the random "lets trade for Rubio" thread would pop up), I called it out when we traded for him, I called it out during the FIBA Euro when Rubio looked like he was seeing ghost around the rim, I called it out in pre-season, when people here laughed at me when I said Exum will take his spot at some point during the season and at this point I have no doubt he would have had he not gotten injured, I keep calling it out right now. To me it was so damn obvious. Like... you need to be blind not to see the problems it presents conceptually with our roster and with our system. He's the complete polar opposite to what fits in our system offensively. And throughout all this the FO never seemed to be even slightly concerned about Rubio-Gobert fit, about 3 non-shooters on the floor together. DL called Rubio 2017 facsimile of Jason Kidd for our system FFS.
And now when it is becoming clearer and clearer that this is not working you know what they are doing? They pull Favors out first(2-3 minutes into the game)! They double down on Rubio-Gobert! Instead of leaving Favors who is better fit with Rubio(still not great) to play with Rubio longer and make Gobert play with better floor spacers they pull the combo that has somewhat worked in the absence of Gobert and they play predominantly the combo that conceptually doesn't work and more than that - with every passing game gets proven to not work not only conceptually but in practice, too.
So yeah, forgive me for not trusting them with their management of Rubio lineups.
If it were me, I'd swallow my pride and trade Rubio for free the first chance I get. The first team that can give me an expiring for Rubio gets him, I'm shipping him out and hoping to be a player on the free agency market(once we lose Favors).
LoPo
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I just ran the numbers and disclaimers for small samples still apply but here we go:
(by NBAwowy)
Rubio+Favors-Gobert: +2.0 (497 possessions)
Rubio+Gobert-Favors: +7.0 (257 possessions)
Favors+Gobert-Rubio: +22.6 (71 possessions)
Rubio+Favors+Gobert -14.2 (478 possessions)
Worth pointing out that this sample is severely skewed by the whooping we gave to WAS(a game where Rubio-Gobert had about 10% of their season possessions together without Favors and had an insane net rating of +86.4, if you take that game out that combo is still negative), but still... I guess we need to give Rubio-Gobert(no Favors) lineups a chance to see if they can work...
(by NBAwowy)
Rubio+Favors-Gobert: +2.0 (497 possessions)
Rubio+Gobert-Favors: +7.0 (257 possessions)
Favors+Gobert-Rubio: +22.6 (71 possessions)
Rubio+Favors+Gobert -14.2 (478 possessions)
Worth pointing out that this sample is severely skewed by the whooping we gave to WAS(a game where Rubio-Gobert had about 10% of their season possessions together without Favors and had an insane net rating of +86.4, if you take that game out that combo is still negative), but still... I guess we need to give Rubio-Gobert(no Favors) lineups a chance to see if they can work...