Is Gordon Hayward overrated?

[VoiceofSanity]

More than half the teams in the NBA in a given year make the playoffs. The Jazz couldn't make them. Yes, the injuries sucked, but this was also the weakest field they could've played against. How bad the majority of the Western Conference is a way bigger outlier than the amount of the Jazz's injuries. They had the 12th worst record in basketball. I see the potential, but the results don't point "good" to me. Certainly not good enough to entice free agents, even their own.

Which is why next year is so important. IF Exum comes back and has a good year and the Jazz win 50 games. It will look like an attractive destination for free agents. As of right now, the Jazz are just a team that has had 3 straight losing seasons and 4 straight lottery years.

 

[VINYLONE]

I dont think Hayward is overrated. I think he is as valuable as a young player can be. He seems to have a good work ethic and has improved every year since he has been in the league. He scored more points this year than he did the year before with less minutes. Among SF's, the kid is wholly talented.

I am definitely a fan of his.

That being said, the biggest issue I have with G is his penchant for ill timed TO's, boneheaded plays and lack of clutchness. I know this means a lot of different things to many people but I am not confident in Hayward as I am with, let's say, Hood. Hood has that intangible that I think Hayward does not. I hope that makes sense.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I dont think Hayward is overrated. I think he is as valuable as a young player can be. He seems to have a good work ethic and has improved every year since he has been in the league. He scored more points this year than he did the year before with less minutes. Among SF's, the kid is wholly talented.

I am definitely a fan of his.

That being said, the biggest issue I have with G is his penchant for ill timed TO's, boneheaded plays and lack of clutchness. I know this means a lot of different things to many people but I am not confident in Hayward as I am with, let's say, Hood. Hood has that intangible that I think Hayward does not. I hope that makes sense.

Stats go against your "lack of clutchness" claims

 

[VINYLONE]

Stats go against your "lack of clutchness" claims

My post is more of an eye test than anything. And maybe there's some confirmation bias at hand...who knows. I will say that I remember more of Hood's clutchness than I do Hayward's.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

My post is more of an eye test than anything. And maybe there's some confirmation bias at hand...who knows. I will say that I remember more of Hood's clutchness than I do Hayward's.

Hood shot 26% in the final minute of close games compared to 56% from Hayward.

In clutch minutes Hood shot 40% and Hayward shot 43%.

So yeah, you are completely wrong.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Hood shot 26% in the final minute of close games compared to 56% from Hayward.

In clutch minutes Hood shot 40% and Hayward shot 43%.

So yeah, you are completely wrong.

Biggest Jazzfanz fallacy.

 

[Deleted member 848]

This rebuild becomes a colossal failure if we lose Gordon.

 

[NUMBERICA]

If the only offers on the table for Hayward + whatever are scraps, then obviously you don't trade him. But if there's anything of significance out there for him or a package with him in it, I think it's time to take a serious look.

But let's be clear, him leaving for absolutely nothing is a scenario very seriously in play. And for good reason on both sides.

 

[fishonjazz]

He seems to have a good work ethic and has improved every year since he has been in the league. He scored more points this year than he did the year before with less minutes.

His assists and rebounds have actually went down for the last two years per 36 and his scoring was actually lower this year than last year per 36.
He actually played more minutes per game this year than last too btw. (36 this year and 34 last year)

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

His assists and rebounds have actually went down for the last two years per 36 and his scoring was actually lower this year than last year per 36.
He actually played more minutes per game this year than last too btw. (36 this year and 34 last year)

Crazy how when you start starting Rudy Gobert other players rebound numbers go down.

 

[franklin]

This rebuild becomes a colossal failure if we lose Gordon.

I've thought it was a colossal failure for two years now. People are starting to realize it and unfortunately the Millers will soon be informed as much as they begin to lose life long fans. It is evident they must do something dramatic to bring hope back. Hell, some of the most dedicated fans at jazzfanz are becoming disenfranchised.

We aren't putting up with another rebuild after this botched job. They had better realize as much before it is too late.

 

[Jeffrey32]

He is a GREAT 2nd player on a team and hopefully Exum or someone else becomes the Jazz superstar. Hayward is a great Robin. I think last night showed that he is not at the caliber of even a retiring Kobe in crunch time. The last 90 seconds, Kobe was old Kobe and Hayward was too human.