Is Obama a Natural Born US Citizen?

[NUMBERICA]

1. Yes.
2. Why does it matter?
3. Rhetorical question, it doesn't.
4. Why and how is this even being discussed?
5. Rhetorical question. Middle America is awesome.

 

[Hitman]

that's not what I said you ****tard.

rEaDinG iS DifFiCulT

I know what you wrote - European settlers' treatment of indigenous Australians in the 20th Century was somehow altered by the beliefs of Hitler and the publication of Mein Kampf. It wasn't. European attitudes towards Indigenous Australians (which did echo Hitler's beliefs in many ways - "terra nullis" is English for lebensraum) were entrenched long before Hitler was even born and endured (and in some cases, sadly, continues to endure) long after his demise.

If that wasn't what you meant, well, perhaps you should have written what you meant instead of what you actually wrote.

 

[NAOS]

I know what you wrote - European settlers' treatment of indigenous Australians in the 20th Century was somehow altered by the beliefs of Hitler and the publication of Mein Kampf. It wasn't. European attitudes towards Indigenous Australians (which did echo Hitler's beliefs in many ways - "terra nullis" is English for lebensraum) were entrenched long before Hitler was even born and endured (and in some cases, sadly, continues to endure) long after his demise.

If that wasn't what you meant, well, perhaps you should have written what you meant instead of what you actually wrote.

boy oh boy, you need to try a third time.

 

[freakazoid]

Hitler was Austrian, not Australian, you doofus. And he had nothing to do with the treatment of Aboriginals.

Jesus, I thought this was a joke.

Mantis, you misread what he wrote. Go back and read it again.

 

[NAOS]

Jesus, I thought this was a joke.

Mantis, you misread what he wrote. Go back and read it again.

it's on page 8, buddy.

 

[franklin]

Jesus, I thought this was a joke.
Mantis, you misread what he wrote. Go back and read it again.

I thought Mantis had a pretty good off-the-cuff response, so how about your interpretation now. Man up. It's time to put the money on the line.

More like many people here have seen zero evidence that Obama has been anything but a U.S. Citizen from birth.

Really, colton? I have to show a bunch of stuff every time I do any stuff that's marginally meaningful stuff. Obama aside, don't you think office of pres is a little more important than me getting a checking account? I don't have reason to believe anything. You know how Thrickynumbsandrew would be going off if this was R in tha house.

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What's really going on here is Obama is a narcissist and wants folks talking about him to the saturation point. Laugh it off all you want. When you're done, ask yourself when he finally released the goods. It wasn't after the billionaire rock star started asking about it, was it? Obama's tryin' to impress comb over like KOCB trying to impress who s/he perceives to be the big ***** here. Miserable fail.

 

[freakazoid]

I thought Mantis had a pretty good off-the-cuff response, so how about your interpretation now. Man up. It's time to put the money on the line.

LMAO! Dude, Mantis goes back to the old days. He lives in Australia, and he get pissed if anyone disses his homeland. No biggie, he's a great poster who doesn't come around as much as he should.

I almost always follow this lecture with stuff that was happening before and after Hitler in Australia (settlers vs. Aboriginals).

Hitler was Austrian, not Australian, you doofus. And he had nothing to do with the treatment of Aboriginals.

franky, I realize this could be misinterpreted, but as a man, I have to admit I'm clueless. Thank you for pointing that out.

Perhaps you could man up and set me straight? That would be sweet. Thanks.

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[franklin]

LMAO! Dude, Mantis goes back to the old days. He lives in Australia, and he get pissed if anyone disses his homeland. No biggie, he's a great poster who doesn't come around as much as he should.

Fair enough, dude. Sometimes I can't tell what is friendly banter. In this case, I figured what you said was. For what it's worth, thanks for pulling the old timer card on me. What is a bar without it's old character?

 

[freakazoid]

Fair enough, dude. Sometimes I can't tell what is friendly banter. In this case, I figured what you said was. For what it's worth, thanks for pulling the old timer card on me. What is a bar without it's old character?

Look dude, I'm not pulling anything with you. I have no idea who NAOS is. I saw the Mantis post and I was baffled. At first I thought he misunderstood, but you know how this board is. I thought maybe he was joking. I don't know NAOS, but look at his post and the part that Mantis misunderstood. Looks like an honest mistake to me, but whatever. I'm not pulling any cards.

Let me say one extra bit: nearly 100% of my students over the past three years were absolutely astonished that we were going to read selections from Mein Kampf. Those that would vocalize why they were astonished have, without fail, said that this chapter of history was just too exceptional to worry about it repeating itself; that it was, therefore, simply to be remembered as categorically separate and horrible. Then, they are almost always shocked at how the ideas have continuity with our times. I almost always follow this lecture with stuff that was happening before and after Hitler in Australia (settlers vs. Aboriginals).

FWIW

 

[Hitman]

Sigh. Okay, I'll try again.

stuff that was happening before and after Hitler in Australia

It's possible to read this as saying that Hitler was in Australia at some point in time - and yes, I know that isn't what he meant, it's just a quirk of the English language, and his choice of words and sentence structure. Hence my attempt at a humorous quip that Hitler wasn't Australian but Austrian. So ignore that bit, if that made you think I didn't understand what you wrote.

However, on a serious note, you appear to be making a temporal relationship between Hitler and the course of European/Indigenous relations in Australia, and implying some sort of causal relationship as well. I do not agree in any way shape or form with this assertion, if this is what you are saying. As I said, you can certainly draw parallels between the early settlers' attitude that the continent was "uninhabited", and the shooting of/driving out of natives living in areas wanted as pastoral land or other settlement, and Hitler's writings about "Lebensraum". I can also see a parallel between the Nazi practice of abducting children of Aryan appearance from occupied Poland and placing them with German families, and the Australian practice of taking Indigenous children away from their parents and placing them with white families (a practice begun in the 19th Century and not ended until 1969) - although the Australian practice was far more sinister in its motives (genocide by "breeding-out" being amongst them). And then there is the actual genocide of the Tasmanian Aborigines. And so on. However, if you are saying that Hitler's ideas were neither new or unique, but were actually espoused and even practiced by others, and the history of Australian settlement is evidence of this, then you are correct.

 

[Hitman]

He lives in Australia, and he get pissed if anyone disses his homeland.

I'm pretty sure if I dissed the USA I'd get a whole heap of nastygrams . In fact I have been on one discussion board where the board owner made a rule that since most of the board members were American, it was verboten to say nasty things about the USA.

But I get pissed at other things too. Like TNT making a "Big Love" reference in their Utah's "Gone Fishin'" pic, why I find offensive even though I am neither Utahn nor LDS, nor do I consider myself a PC advocate. I just find it incredibly disrespectful to persist with this stereotype. Stay classy, TNT!

 

[freakazoid]

Hence my attempt at a humorous quip that Hitler wasn't Australian but Austrian.

That's what I thought at first.

However, on a serious note, you appear to be making a temporal relationship between Hitler and the course of European/Indigenous relations in Australia, and implying some sort of causal relationship as well. I do not agree in any way shape or form with this assertion, if this is what you are saying. As I said, you can certainly draw parallels between the early settlers' attitude that the continent was "uninhabited", and the shooting of/driving out of natives living in areas wanted as pastoral land or other settlement, and Hitler's writings about "Lebensraum". I can also see a parallel between the Nazi practice of abducting children of Aryan appearance from occupied Poland and placing them with German families, and the Australian practice of taking Indigenous children away from their parents and placing them with white families (a practice begun in the 19th Century and not ended until 1969) - although the Australian practice was far more sinister in its motives (genocide by "breeding-out" being amongst them). And then there is the actual genocide of the Tasmanian Aborigines. And so on. However, if you are saying that Hitler's ideas were neither new or unique, but were actually espoused and even practiced by others, and the history of Australian settlement is evidence of this, then you are correct.

No. Mantis, nobody said anything like this.

Obviously I was wrong about you taking this seriously. Please, read again the post by NAOS. I don't know what else to say.