Is Quin a genius or bat **** crazy?

[fishonjazz]

I agree for the most part. My purpose is to figure out what he's doing and document it rather than critique any part of it.

I don't think it's a hot mess. It's more that he runs various plays out of the same beginning sets as opposed to running through a progression with options like Sloan Jackson and Pop. Instead he seems to run multiple separates progressions off the same initial sets. No doubt a lot of this has to do with personnel. A lot of things changed when Burks' slashing abilities went away, and a lot is changing again with Hood coming on strong.


The one thing I don't like is there aren't a lot of double screens or easy backdoor buckets.

Good post.
I have wondered why we don't see more double screens and never see any back door cut for baskets.

Make the back door cuts are happening but the players are not getting open off them (poor screens maybe) or our ball handlers just are not making the pass.

I don't really think they are even being attempted/ran though

Edit: oops, mellow beat me to it

 

[LogGrad98]

I agree for the most part. My purpose is to figure out what he's doing and document it rather than critique any part of it.

I don't think it's a hot mess. It's more that he runs various plays out of the same beginning sets as opposed to running through a progression with options like Sloan Jackson and Pop. Instead he seems to run multiple separates progressions off the same initial sets. No doubt a lot of this has to do with personnel. A lot of things changed when Burks' slashing abilities went away, and a lot is changing again with Hood coming on strong.


The one thing I don't like is there aren't a lot of double screens or easy backdoor buckets.

I am interested to hear your take on it as he progresses. I do not get to see enough games to make any kind of real analysis of Quin's in-game sets and such.

 

[franklin]

I agree. I don't understand all the offensive sets like you, but I do see the lack of easy buckets in the half court and in transition. I wonder if it has a lot to do with the passing ability of the current players. They make lots of easy, safe passes on the perimeter, but seem reluctant to make quick aggressive passes. Or perhaps they are being coached to only make safe passes.

It will be fun to see how Quin changes things after the jazz add Alec Burks and one or two more significant players this offseason.

I think he's looking more for easy buckets coming from the outside in off pnr instead of screens and cuts down low. They don't do a lot of that in the heart of the paint. Instead he reverses the ball back the way it just came from on the perimeter to set up pnr, re-pnr, and pass into another pnr. I think all this is supposed to set up scramble situations, but that's hard without Alec or shooters and with Trey and Exum who can't catch and drive. Alec got a lot of catch and drive situations out of this offense.

I am interested to hear your take on it as he progresses. I do not get to see enough games to make any kind of real analysis of Quin's in-game sets and such.

I use stats.nba to comb through this stuff when I get bored at work. Real time is too fast and confusing for me to figure much out. That and I'd rather enjoy the game while it's on.

 

[franklin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=113&v=GjvaKOR53Lc



The play starting at 2 point O is beautiful. Quin puts them into standard Popovich Strong Motion -- ball handler passes to the trailing big at the top of the 3 point line who swings to the weak side wing. At this point, the ball handler and the big are supposed to set a double pin down screen for the strong side wing in the corner. Instead, Quin pulls it into HORNS first, and then runs a double pin down fake. Andre Miller, a heady player, tries to hedge the double pin down and then says **** me as Exum goes backdoor. The scramble takes McLemore with Miller to compensate, which frees up Hood for the sploosh.


You want wrinkles out of madness, Quin got wrinkles.

 

[franklin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=113&v=GjvaKOR53Lc



The play starting at 2 point O is beautiful. Quin puts them into standard Popovich Strong Motion -- ball handler passes to the trailing big at the top of the 3 point line who swings to the weak side wing. At this point, the ball handler and the big are supposed to set a double pin down screen for the strong side wing in the corner. Instead, Quin pulls it into HORNS first, and then runs a double pin down fake. Andre Miller, a heady player, tries to hedge the double pin down and then says **** me as Exum goes backdoor. The scramble takes McLemore with Miller to compensate, which frees up Hood for the sploosh.


You want wrinkles out of madness, Quin got wrinkles.

I tweeted this post to Coach Nickkk. ****er ignored me and then Vine'd a Warriors Motion into HORNS play a minute later. National media dicks always rippin me off.

 

[The Midnight]

I tweeted this post to Coach Nickkk. ****er ignored me and then Vine'd a Warriors Motion into HORNS play a minute later. National media dicks always rippin me off.

Hahaha... classic Coach Nickkk.


Remember, it's not a channel, it's a CONVERSATION.


You IN?

 

[franklin]

Hahaha... classic Coach Nickkk.


Remember, it's not a channel, it's a CONVERSATION.


You IN?

lol

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Horns and DHO (which is really just pick and roll except the picker starts with the ball) leads to ball handler having an advantage over his defender, which leads to layups/dunks off that action and then the roll man. Not really designed for perimeter to interior passing like the flex and the triangle generally do.

That Andre Miller overplay is the only time I've seen horns run where there's an opening under the basket.

I also do not recall a motion set to free up a shooter. I'm trying to remember a Jazz three point shot that wasn't off the dribble or a set catch and shoot.

 

[franklin]

Horns and DHO (which is really just pick and roll except the picker starts with the ball) leads to ball handler having an advantage over his defender, which leads to layups/dunks off that action and then the roll man. Not really designed for perimeter to interior passing like the flex and the triangle generally do.

That Andre Miller overplay is the only time I've seen horns run where there's an opening under the basket.

I also do not recall a motion set to free up a shooter. I'm trying to remember a Jazz three point shot that wasn't off the dribble or a set catch and shoot.

It's no longer horns at that point. It has turned into a modified "strong motion", which is why Miller overplays. There's a double pin down setting up and Favors is filling the role the weak side wing typically fills.