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Is the death penalty morally wrong?

Doesn't the bible have some passage about "eye for an eye"
 
fishonjazz said:
Doesn't the bible have some passage about "eye for an eye"
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Yes.

It also has passages about having a disobedient wife stoned to death in the streets by the elders of the village.
 
Stoked said:
I think the bar needs to be raised for the death penalty. DNA, witnesses, evidence, confession... death penalties should be rare.

I think violent serial rapists and pedophiles should have it as a possible sentence.

If the death penalty is issued (should be the exception not the rule) then it should be carried out quickly and cheaply.

I am not a fan of life imprisonment cases with the current incarceration perks and rules. Imprisonment cases need to do more to benefit society beyond removing a criminal from the street.
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Agreed.
 
While we're on it, the local, state and federal prison systems need to bring back chain gangs. The fact that these scumbags chill in air conditioned prisons, watch cable tv, eat decent food and so forth while hardly contributing back to society is a joke. I also think that physical activity would their minds some good.
 
babe said:
morality by definition is a human value or judgment, as is the determination of right and wrong.
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true

Invoking higher authority, particularly unprovable authority, is customary.
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customary and rather disingenuous


uhhmmmm. . . . interesting if a new JAZZFANZ member named GOD signs up and starts answering these questions. . . . wonder if Colton will allow this. . .
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pretty sure that user name has already been banned - as had Jesus Christ and Satan.
(and George and Sandy Braille by the way)
 
Siro said:
Why would it be? It meets the definition of rape, but it is not violent in the traditional sense.
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I agree
 
LogGrad98 said:
After their 11,000 appeals. Time and money. Read the links. They are mostly short and use small words.

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If we ended capital punishment; Why would we not see these lawyers shift their attention to those that were sentenced to life imprisonment? Wouldn't we see the same or even a greater number of appeals?

I don't think money should decide the question but I also don't think that we can extrapolate savings from these numbers.
 
♪alt13 said:
If we ended capital punishment; Why would we not see these lawyers shift their attention to those that were sentenced to life imprisonment? Wouldn't we see the same or even a greater number of appeals?

I don't think money should decide the question but I also don't think that we can extrapolate savings from these numbers.
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In countries (or states) with no capital punishment, has this shown to be the case?
 
Darkwing Duck said:
In countries (or states) with no capital punishment, has this shown to be the case?
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I really don't want to argue on behalf of the death penalty. I simply think that we have a legal system that isn't going to shrink just because we get rid of the DP.
 
Siro said:
Why would it be? It meets the definition of rape, but it is not violent in the traditional sense.
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it's also not traditional that one is passed out and unable to fight back in any way.

violence is an unwanted physical or emotional act thrust upon another. because one is passed out and unable to show that lack of desire does not change the fact that it's not wanted.
 
♪alt13 said:
I really don't want to argue on behalf of the death penalty. I simply think that we have a legal system that isn't going to shrink just because we get rid of the DP.
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I agree with this. I think a massive overhaul needs to be done. On what is available to prisoners, what they are allowed/forced to do, what they are incarcerated for in the first place, appropriate punishments (incarceration isn't always the answer), what is considered a crime.

Way to many laws for way to many things. The number of people in jail is sickening.
 
LogGrad98 said:
It also has passages about having a disobedient wife stoned to death in the streets by the elders of the village.
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....find it! I'd like to see/read it....and remember, we cannot concern ourselves with verses/passages in the Bible that YOU cannot find!
 
Yes. Plus, evidence shows that it's more expensive than life sentencing. Rather open-and-shut, IMO.
 
Cunning Linguist said:
it's also not traditional that one is passed out and unable to fight back in any way.

violence is an unwanted physical or emotional act thrust upon another. because one is passed out and unable to show that lack of desire does not change the fact that it's not wanted.
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Like I responded to LogGrad, your definition is also reasonable. Words don't come with pre-made meanings that we pluck out of the Aether. In the traditional sense, as most people understand it, violence implies the application of force, not mere lack of consent. That's the definition that Stoked invoked in his post, and thus the definition I used in mine.

I also find this definition more useful, since it describes a meaningful distinction, instead of trying to make an ideological point. Rape, in all of its forms, carries an emotional toll. Violence, even without rape, has its own toll. Being violently raped will, for the vast majority of people, be a more traumatizing event than being raped while unconscious. Additionally, it takes different types of people to commit each act. A rapist who's willing to rape a drunk person would not necessarily be willing to use physical violence to accomplish the same thing. A violent rapist, on the other hand, might get off on the violence itself, and not find as much appeal in the former scenario.
 
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