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So could the Jazz run a similar set with Burks as the PG? And Kanter as the pick, with Favors playing the part of Perkins and Hayward and Marvin camped in the corners?

Burks still can't hit the open jumper but he seems to have better skills at getting to the rim and finishing or getting fouled (hitting his foul shots would be nice). Kanter sets a nice wide screen and has enough touch to hit that jumper and the hands to catch the ball if he roles down the lane. Kanter can't finish high above the rim like Durrant, and maybe the bigger problem is he is still inexperienced and therefor a bit indicisive, but I think there is potential.

Could Trey Burke, MCW, or CJ McColwhatever run that play?
 
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mellow said:
So could the Jazz run a similar set with Burks as the PG? And Kanter as the pick, with Favors playing the part of Perkins and Hayward and Marvin camped in the corners?

Burks still can't hit the open jumper but he seems to have better skills at getting to the rim and finishing or getting fouled (hitting his foul shots would be nice). Kanter sets a nice wide screen and has enough touch to hit that jumper and the hands to catch the ball if he roles down the lane. Kanter can't finish high above the rim like Durrant, but I think the bigger problem is he is still inexperienced and therefor a bit indicisive.
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yes please.
 
mellow said:
So could the Jazz run a similar set with Burks as the PG? And Kanter as the pick, with Favors playing the part of Perkins and Hayward and Marvin camped in the corners?

Burks still can't hit the open jumper but he seems to have better skills at getting to the rim and finishing or getting fouled (hitting his foul shots would be nice). Kanter sets a nice wide screen and has enough touch to hit that jumper and the hands to catch the ball if he roles down the lane. Kanter can't finish high above the rim like Durrant, and maybe the bigger problem is he is still inexperienced and therefor a bit indicisive, but I think there is potential.

Could Trey Burke, MCW, or CJ McColwhatever run that play?
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The Spurs ran this play a ton last year on the Jazz in the playoffs. Probably best to watch what they do and copy. Bonner, Splitter, and the smaller guys they put at the 4 are all more dynamic scorers than Favors, so they have an edge. Jazz should be able to run it the same as they do with Duncan playing the screener, but aren't going to get the same results Tony Parker does.

The difference with what OKC did is getting great spacing and some misdirection with "screen the screener" on KD before he sets up Westbrook. Can't really do that with a big.

One thing to notice about the play is the baseline flex is already setup, so if a play featuring Kanter broke down then they could go right into flex with Kanter staying up top while the initial cuts and screens come.

Another thing is the Jazz already set up this new "HORNS" offense with Kanter and Favors lining up at the top of the key, and guard and forward underneath. Favors and Kanter could screen down slowly on Hayward-Mo popping out to the corners to create a little more movement and better spacing, as the position Foye is playing will get screened and fight out to cover the corner. Then Kanter rolls up to initiate the pick. Difference in doing it with a big is it's easier to flash out on the pick than having a guy like KD set it up as hard as he did, then move out faster.
 
Good breakdown, franklin.

While Favors isn't a stretch 4, you can still position him weakside and about 15 feet out. If he catches from there, he should be able to put it on the floor once and use his athleticism to make something happen. His increased passing ability is another sign that he can be used here, since he'll have plenty of dump-off and touch pass opportunities from this spot.

But yeah, a big 3 would be a dream. PnRs on both sides of the floor.
 
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Good breakdown, franklin.

While Favors isn't a stretch 4, you can still position him weakside and about 15 feet out. If he catches from there, he should be able to put it on the floor once and use his athleticism to make something happen. His increased passing ability is another sign that he can be used here, since he'll have plenty of dump-off and touch pass opportunities from this spot.

But yeah, a big 3 would be a dream. PnRs on both sides of the floor.
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BTW, I further convinced myself that we need McCollum as i was writting this post.
 
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BTW, I further convinced myself that we need McCollum as i was writting this post.
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Can McCollum turn that corner? Can he take it to the rim and dish, or finish ? I doubt he can dunk like Westbrook, but does he have a shot to score there? What about Trey Burks? Or MCW? I don't know, hopefully somebody who does can speak up.
 
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Can McCollum turn that corner? Can he take it to the rim and dish, or finish ? I doubt he can dunk like Westbrook, but does he have a shot to score there? What about Trey Burks? Or MCW? I don't know, hopefully somebody who does can speak up.
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IMO, when speaking PnR, McCollum is NBA-ready. You're right, he isn't athletic like Westbrook (who is?), but he is crafty and can split the PnR a lot like Harden + makes good reads in general.
 
I actually found some remnants of this play while doing my weekly Helicopter Burks scouting:

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This is a shot clock clear out iso, but a lot of teams run this same play with the center (Kanter) coming up very high to set the pick. Everything else is identical to that OKC set (more evidence that Corbin can't run an offense :)).


Interesting to note how raw Burks still is. He starts the play way too early and missed the wide open Foye and opted to chuck a very tough contested shot. He got a nice bucket none the less.
 
If you're really searching for Burks in high screen-roll, here are two back-to-back plays:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsmL9vtVoS8#t=1m05s
If you're searching for a play where Burks comes off the screen and explodes to the basket against a poor and unprepared defense - there isn't much footage of that.
That play by Westbrook was phenomenal but not exactly re-inventing the wheel- it's an elite NBA player running high screen-roll. Well-excuted by OKC and poorly defended by Utah. Stockton and Deron ran it and so did Westbrook in this instance. The Jazz now run it alot with Mo but if he roll-man isn't wide-open he'll usually settle for a perimeter jumper. This is why I'm of the opinion the Jazz need an above-average point guard who can facilitate but can also score the ball enough to keep defenses honest.
Burks obviously isn't a pass-first PG and I definitely don't think he's a starting PG in the NBA - but I think he can be a combo guard who can make plays with the ball in his hands. Next year I hope he can play more at the 2 while still being allowed to make plays w/the ball in his hands.
 
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....looking at this play over and over again and seeing the spacing the Jazz had.....there were about 3 of our guys in "la la land" paying no attention to what was developing on the court! Jefferson should have rotated toward the middle to block Westbrooks approach. The other Jazz player should have stayed with the corner shooter.....and the other Jazz clown should have and could have rotated underneath to at least attempt to block out the man Jefferson left to pick up or impede Westbrook! But these guys have less brain cells than Keith Richards of the rolling stones!
 
mellow said:
So could the Jazz run a similar set with Burks as the PG?
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...look, the collective basketball IQ of this entire Jazz squad, including the coach, could be put in a thimble.....and still have room for Allen Iverson's brain with plenty of space to spare!
 
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