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Is this the Future of the NBA?

Fan/Media culture has led to ranggggz culture which means players have to win rings or they get clowned for the rest of their life. And now that we have social media, that means you are getting clowned 24/7 until the day you die.

If you want to promote a culture where players stay then you have to praise regular season success more.

Don't the Jazz have the best record over the last 5 years? If that was praised and respected then you might have a situation where Donovan is more likely to stay.

Also Donovan needs a bigger market to achieve individual marketability. He's got a good personality to be marketed, but he isn't a big personality that is going to demand attention in the ways Anthony Edwards and Ja Morant do (absolute insanity Donovan has a shoe deal over those two but that is the importance of timing/luck in life).
 
Goodluckchuck said:
With the trades of Rudy and possibly Mitchell, are we as fans going to have to do this every 5 years where players we draft will leave for bigger markets? If so I’m done. This league won’t last. Might as well have only big market teams in the league. Is this the future for Jazz fans like us?
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What we did is a reflection of the Danny Ainge philosophy. While it is not uncommon, it is definitely a big change from every former owner/GM regime in Utah Jazz history. Bring back the Millers. Donny was going to leave but we could have used a Donny trade to build around Rudy.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Don't put the Jazz in the same category as a core that won 5 rings. Dear Lord.
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You mean a team that kept its stars for basically their entire careers and core for basically ever, made two finals appearances those jazz were cream of the crop for years, just couldn’t solve the Jordan problem which no one could. Also didn’t compare the two other than to point out both teams as small markets kept their stars
 
Goodluckchuck said:
With the trades of Rudy and possibly Mitchell, are we as fans going to have to do this every 5 years where players we draft will leave for bigger markets? If so I’m done. This league won’t last. Might as well have only big market teams in the league. Is this the future for Jazz fans like us?
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Only chance is to move the team from Utah. Nobody wants to play here. Stockton and Malone don’t grow on trees
 
Elizah Huge said:
Rudy would have played his entire career here. Mitchell might have played here longer had we had more success in the playoffs.
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This. In lots of ways we ****ed this all up when we brought in Conley instead of looking to plug the oh so obvious holes in our lineup. Somehow we hoped a shorter and even less talented guard along-side Mitchell would make up for the fact that we desperately needed a long athletic 3&D wing, or at the very least some size and defensive ability to run with Mitchell at the guard spot. That was the death-knell for this group. DL screwed us once more in his "emeritus" retirement. **** him so hard.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Fan/Media culture has led to ranggggz culture which means players have to win rings or they get clowned for the rest of their life. And now that we have social media, that means you are getting clowned 24/7 until the day you die.

If you want to promote a culture where players stay then you have to praise regular season success more.

Don't the Jazz have the best record over the last 5 years? If that was praised and respected then you might have a situation where Donovan is more likely to stay.

Also Donovan needs a bigger market to achieve individual marketability. He's got a good personality to be marketed, but he isn't a big personality that is going to demand attention in the ways Anthony Edwards and Ja Morant do (absolute insanity Donovan has a shoe deal over those two but that is the importance of timing/luck in life).
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Rings have always been what mattered. Why did Malone go to LA? And speaking of Malone, since Duncan won a ring so early in his career, there was talk way back in his 2nd and 3rd season that he, and not Malone, was the greatest PF of all time, and it was largely because Duncan had won a ring and Malone never did, despite the fact that Malone was objectively the best PF by any other measure than rings, in the history of the NBA. But rings are what defines the professional player, and they always have. How it Barkley viewed? Same as Malone and Stockton. They always have "...who never won a ring" appended to the end of any praise for them. If Stockton and Malone had won even a single ring, the history books would firmly have Stockton on top of the greatest PGs of all time list and Malone cemented as the best PF of all time. But since they didn't they are usually listed somewhere in the top 5, Stockton at times even outside of the top 5 PGs, and mostly because there are 5 other PGs who won rings. This isn't new. What is new is the bald-face blatant chase of the ring by jumping around and forming super-teams with this express purpose. Yes great teams have always been able to get great players together to win, but before the travesty of "the decision" it was less player-driven and more just market-driven. But we have entered an age where players dictate where they want to go and teams oblige so they don't lose out on value. If everyone knows Mitchell wants to go to New York, like if he made that public, then any trade partner other than NY will low-ball because they know it is only a rental and that eventually he is going no matter what. That is what is damaging the league as a whole.

However I must say it has been wholly satisfying to see the "super-teams" getting put down by organically-grown teams in recent years. Giannis and the Bucks and to a lesser extent (since they added a finals MVP) Toronto, as well as even Golden State all fly in the face of artificially built super-teams. But this trend is not going anywhere. I would not be surprised to see this become a part of the CBA and literally lay out that players can pick and choose their destinations after their rookie contract, and it won't be long before some teams are clamoring to allow rookies to choose who drafts them, even if by simply refusing to play for anyone else. This has kind of happened before, although not in any meaningful way. But that kind of thing would be the end of it all, realistically. Then teams like the Jazz would become simply farm teams for the big coastal franchises, which we really are dangerously close to now.
 
D Will Texas said:
Only chance is to move the team from Utah. Nobody wants to play here. Stockton and Malone don’t grow on trees
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Yep, just move all small franchise teams to big cities. Then it would level everything out. Utah, San Antonio, Milwaukee, OKC, New Orleans and Memphis just need to all move to bigger markets. Like maybe add more LA franchises. New York could probably support another one. New England could as well. Florida still has potential, as Miami is huge.

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2025 NBA Team Market Size Rankings

Which NBA markets are the biggest and smallest? We ranked every NBA team market from 1-28.
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Just take anywhere with a metro pop of >5 million and add enough teams to equal 3-4 million pop per team, that brings them into line with most other franchises. By this measure all of these could support another team:

NY/NJ Metro area
LA
Chicago
Dallas
Houston (you could argue San Antonia feeds off this a bit and leave it alone, even though the SA metro area is relatively small)
Washington
Miami

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Which Metropolitan Areas in the United States Have the Largest Populations?

Here is a listing of the 30 largest metropolitan areas in the United States, with total population, from the Census Bureau.
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So go in reverse order of current franchise market size maybe. Make these moves:

Old --> New

Memphis --> New York
New Orleans --> LA (maybe San Diego? But that technically isn't as big a metro pop)
OKC --> Chicago
Milwaukee --> Dallas (although you could just move San Antonio to Dallas and keep the Texas theme and move Milwaukee to Chicago keeping with the midwest theme kind of then move OKC to Washington)
San Antonio --> Houston
Utah --> Washington
Indiana --> Miami
Charlotte --> Philly
Portland --> Atlanta
Sacramento --> Phoenix (or maybe Boston/New England since that is nearly the same size and would pull from several other small states there for support)

You could mix and match to keep them close to the same conferences and divisions they are coming from. Then the NBA only has to focus on a few larger population zones rather than back-woods Utah and every player would be cool playing everywhere because it would all be big markets.

What a great idea!! Alienate a big chunk of the US so the teams can be in more favorable places and keep the players happy. The owners will continue to be rich though, so that's a good thing.

:rolleyes:
 
LogGrad98 said:
Yep, just move all small franchise teams to big cities. Then it would level everything out. Utah, San Antonio, Milwaukee, OKC, New Orleans and Memphis just need to all move to bigger markets. Like maybe add more LA franchises. New York could probably support another one. New England could as well. Florida still has potential, as Miami is huge.

hoop-social.com

2025 NBA Team Market Size Rankings

Which NBA markets are the biggest and smallest? We ranked every NBA team market from 1-28.
hoop-social.com hoop-social.com

Just take anywhere with a metro pop of >5 million and add enough teams to equal 3-4 million pop per team, that brings them into line with most other franchises. By this measure all of these could support another team:

NY/NJ Metro area
LA
Chicago
Dallas
Houston (you could argue San Antonia feeds off this a bit and leave it alone, even though the SA metro area is relatively small)
Washington
Miami

www.thoughtco.com

Which Metropolitan Areas in the United States Have the Largest Populations?

Here is a listing of the 30 largest metropolitan areas in the United States, with total population, from the Census Bureau.
www.thoughtco.com www.thoughtco.com

So go in reverse order of current franchise market size maybe. Make these moves:

Old --> New

Memphis --> New York
New Orleans --> LA (maybe San Diego? But that technically isn't as big a metro pop)
OKC --> Chicago
Milwaukee --> Dallas (although you could just move San Antonio to Dallas and keep the Texas theme and move Milwaukee to Chicago keeping with the midwest theme kind of then move OKC to Washington)
San Antonio --> Houston
Utah --> Washington
Indiana --> Miami
Charlotte --> Philly
Portland --> Atlanta
Sacramento --> Phoenix (or maybe Boston/New England since that is nearly the same size and would pull from several other small states there for support)

You could mix and match to keep them close to the same conferences and divisions they are coming from. Then the NBA only has to focus on a few larger population zones rather than back-woods Utah and every player would be cool playing everywhere because it would all be big markets.

What a great idea!! Alienate a big chunk of the US so the teams can be in more favorable places and keep the players happy. The owners will continue to be rich though, so that's a good thing.

:rolleyes:
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