Israel Commences Ground Invasion into Gaza.

[fishonjazz]

I'm guessing most people consider mass murder worse than not being charitable.

Does the "not being charitable" add to the mass murders though?

if being charitable could help stop the fighting then maybe not being charitable is part of the problem.

 

[fishonjazz]

FWIW, I'd rather be a complete ****ing moron than the dude doubling down on ethnic cleansing.

Fwiw i think jimless said that the palestinians should move. Not that they should be killed

I think the nazis wanted the jews dead, not moved. Big difference imo

 

[One Brow]

... the so called Holocaust ...

So called because 12 million people, including about 6 million Jews, were actually exterminated.

 

[One Brow]

Because they lost at least 3 ****ing wars. Once upon a time, used to be common courtesy that when you lost a few wars, you packed your **** up and went somewhere else. You admitted you were bested in a fight for land, as surely your ancestors had to have bested someone to get it to begin with, and moved on.

That was much more rare than conquerors absorbing the native population into their country/empire.

 

[One Brow]

Because the current situation is preferable to population exchange?

It is to the Palestinians, apparently.

 

[JimLes]

It is to the Palestinians, apparently.

Then I see no grounds on which they can complain. You can't choose to fight the other side to the death and then complain when they also fight you to the death.

That is the key problem in this whole situation. Both the leadership and the average people among the Palestinians aren't actually interested in a settlement with Israel. They're just waiting for some divine intervention which will drive Jews into the sea and make it like the last 100 years never happened.

 

[UGLI baby]

Again, please show me any map pre 1900 and we'll talk.

Didn't have maps before then, dorkus.

 

[One Brow]

That is the key problem in this whole situation. Both the leadership and the average people among the Palestinians aren't actually interested in a settlement with Israel.

They are not interested in a settlement on Israeli terms, which would include the continued stealing of Palestinian lands, a lack of autonomy, and effectively a second-class citizenship. Israel will never grant them full citizenship (Palestinians still outnumber israelis), nor full autonomy, unless forced to do so. The Palestinians are not the first group in the world to prefer death and violence over second-class human status, and won't be the last.

 

[JimLes]

They are not interested in a settlement on Israeli terms, which would include the continued stealing of Palestinian lands, a lack of autonomy, and effectively a second-class citizenship.

What terms do they want? We're talking about a conquered populace here. Are you expecting Israel, negotiating from a position of power here, to make concessions? What grounds do Palestinians think they have to ask for as much as they are asking? Moral?

 

[ema]

I think that what stoked said is correct. As long as both groups are there, there will always be fighting.
One grouo needs to be removed.

Or like i said, hopefully a natural disaster comes along and wipes the gaza strip off the face of the earth

Unfortunately, the removal of a side, which would be injustice for the both sides, won't be any helpful at all. Because, even though the direct enemy of Palestine is Israel, they are under the oppression of the middle east actors too. Because Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Syria and even Lebanon and Hashemites living in the region have all their interests, histories and eyes on the Palestinian region. Palestine is like the youngest child that gets bullied by everyone, imo. That's the another main reason for that no one protects or supports them meaningfully.(The other main reason is obviously the US that is fully supporting Israel)

So lets say the Palestinians are pulled away from the region with a magical hand, you would have immediately other nations and Arabic clans fighting over the region, both against each others and Israel. I believe that would be even more troublesome for Israel.

Removal of Israeli people is an equally bad idea, since they also have a history and the rights to exist there, even alone for the reasons that it's much more unrealistic and unpractical. They are supported by the western world to the utmost for a reason. For number of reasons actually. And all the reasons can be summarized into the fact that the non existence of the Israel state in the middle east would obviously against the all kind of Western interests in every way.

 

[DutchJazzer]

They are not interested in a settlement on Israeli terms, which would include the continued re-acquiring of Palestinian lands, a lack of autonomy, and effectively a second-class citizenship. Israel will never grant them full citizenship (Palestinians still outnumber israelis), nor full autonomy, unless forced to do so. The Palestinians are not the first group in the world to prefer death and violence over second-class human status, and won't be the last.

it is not stealing if you take back what belonged to you all along

 

[DutchJazzer]

Unfortunately, the removal of a side, which would be injustice for the both sides, won't be any helpful at all. Because, even though the direct enemy of Palestine is Israel, they are under the oppression of the middle east actors too. Because Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Syria and even Lebanon and Hashemites living in the region have all their interests, histories and eyes on the Palestinian region. Palestine is like the youngest child that gets bullied by everyone, imo. That's the another main reason for that no one protects or supports them meaningfully.(The other main reason is obviously the US that is fully supporting Israel)

So lets say the Palestinians are pulled away from the region with a magical hand, you would have immediately other nations and Arabic clans fighting over the region, both against each others and Israel. I believe that would be even more troublesome for Israel.

Removal of Israeli people is an equally bad idea, since they also have a history and the rights to exist there, even alone for the reasons that it's much more unrealistic and unpractical. They are supported by the western world to the utmost for a reason. For number of reasons actually. And all the reasons can be summarized into the fact that the non existence of the Israel state in the middle east would obviously against the all kind of Western interests in every way.

dont care the 12 tribes of israel(or 13 as some said) are united.

saudie arabia can absorb em all. so what if that means less diamdond covered cars.
it is the right thing to do.


but it is just their mentality using eachother as human shields.