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Red said:
I was taken aback when I read some Israeli official had told Washington that it wasn’t a strategic decision, but a “use it or lose it” situation.
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Initially I assumed it was just some exploit that Israel discovered that allowed them to hack the pagers and just cause the battery to massively overcurrent and that was the "explosion." Similar to what we saw back in the day with the Samsung Galaxy Note or the occasional vape battery failure.

But it sounds like somehow Israel was able to get explosives into devices used by Hamas. Can't wait for the full details to come to light. Its fascinating.
 
Sardines said:
Initially I assumed it was just some exploit that Israel discovered that allowed them to hack the pagers and just cause the battery to massively overcurrent and that was the "explosion." Similar to what we saw back in the day with the Samsung Galaxy Note or the occasional vape battery failure.

But it sounds like somehow Israel was able to get explosives into devices used by Hamas. Can't wait for the full details to come to light. Its fascinating.
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The details are already out.

Mossad had hacked the emails and phones of Hezbollah leadership and intercepted the messages of Hezbollah intending to use pagers. Mossad quickly set up a pager company and bought some great reviews from bot farms. When Hezbollah leadership decided to go forward with the plan, the fake pager company was the top rated source for pagers in the world and they got the order to supply several thousand pagers. You know the rest.
 
“Hezbollah is dealing with disagreement among its ranks over how to respond to a series of devastating attacks on the Lebanese militant group, according to people familiar with the group’s deliberations. With no good options available, the group faces one of the most consequential decisions in its four-decade history.

Hezbollah, the world’s most heavily armed nonstate paramilitary group, fired its first missile at the commercial capital of Tel Aviv on Wednesday, its boldest response yet to a dramatic series of strikes by Israel. It must now choose whether to unleash more of its advanced weapons, striking deeper into Israel and potentially triggering a full-scale war, or hold back and risk diminishing its reputation as one of the fiercest fighting forces in the Middle East.

“This is the single most crucial moment for Hezbollah since it was created,” said Rym Momtaz, a security analyst at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace with expertise in Hezbollah. “Hezbollah has no good options.”

 
Red said:
“Hezbollah is dealing with disagreement among its ranks over how to respond to a series of devastating attacks on the Lebanese militant group, according to people familiar with the group’s deliberations. With no good options available, the group faces one of the most consequential decisions in its four-decade history.

Hezbollah, the world’s most heavily armed nonstate paramilitary group, fired its first missile at the commercial capital of Tel Aviv on Wednesday, its boldest response yet to a dramatic series of strikes by Israel. It must now choose whether to unleash more of its advanced weapons, striking deeper into Israel and potentially triggering a full-scale war, or hold back and risk diminishing its reputation as one of the fiercest fighting forces in the Middle East.

“This is the single most crucial moment for Hezbollah since it was created,” said Rym Momtaz, a security analyst at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace with expertise in Hezbollah. “Hezbollah has no good options.”

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Is there realistically any outcome besides all-out war? It's nearly impossible for an outside observer to "pick a side". Innocents are being hurt, both intentionally and collaterally on both sides. All sides have a pride factor among their leadership that simply won't allow backing down in any way. No one has sufficient sway on both sides to help broker peace. This is nearly as untenable a situation as any war the world has seen in the past. What is the final outcome here? One side just obliterated?
 
LogGrad98 said:
Is there realistically any outcome besides all-out war? It's nearly impossible for an outside observer to "pick a side". Innocents are being hurt, both intentionally and collaterally on both sides. All sides have a pride factor among their leadership that simply won't allow backing down in any way. No one has sufficient sway on both sides to help broker peace. This is nearly as untenable a situation as any war the world has seen in the past. What is the final outcome here? One side just obliterated?
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Dude, it just takes one phone call from trump.

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