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It all started with Eric Maynor

AKMVP said:
Jazz are about being profitable, filling the seats and making playoffs. Winning championship while sacrificing profit is not on agenda.
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This describes every team in the NBA. Some cities have more to play with and more variables to move around.
 
All of you bring up amazing points like the money issues and so on. I thought I was clear when I said it started with maynor, then brewer, and then it spiraled downhill from there. Obviously dwill, Mathews and the whole gang.

I hated boozer the most out of anyone. Sure we could have made a few moves where we were lacking like dealing boozer, maybe signing a 2 guard. But what I'm saying is that we had a great team and all of those players started dropping like flies after Maynor was dealt. It was a rippling effect. We were winning 50+ games. I wonder to myself why did the Jazz organization not build on this and fill in the few holes we had? rather than starting from scratch???


Yeah the Lakers series obviously made all of us cringe. That's why we could have made a few moves to improve our areas where we were weak.

I would have loved to see what the team would have done now. That's all I'm saying. Hats off to no one blasting me, yet...
 
feeko said:
When the ownership dealt Eric Maynor I was shocked. Nobody saw it at the time, but it was the beginning of our collapse. It started with Maynor and I'll never forget reading from players on the team that the plane ride right after he was traded was the quietest ever. Then a few weeks later, boom, Ronnie Brewer goes. Slowly but surely, the core of players that we had built up were evaporating before our eyes. I think we had the sickest squad in the game and it proves it because we went to the Western Conference Finals only to lose because of crap NBA officiating. Now let me ask you this, imagine if those players stuck around. Imagine the chemistry everyone would have together. Hats off to OKC for staying with their players and being patient, waiting for them to develop and mesh well together. Look what we have now and look what we had then. WE HAD IT. They let it go with lots of boneheaded moves.

Now criticize, curse, yell at me all you want. That's all everyone does on jazzfanz anyways.

Go Jazz.
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Utah back then and OKC were not in the same situation. Ut had AK and D-Will with max contracts boozer getting I think 12 million memo getting 9 million. Harp was getting 7 million with bad legs both Brewer and Korver wanted more money. OKC had a bunch of guys on rookie contracts. With no proven players. So yes it was a hell of a lot easier for them to keep there players. OKC had players that were on cheap contracts we didn't.
 
feeko said:
All of you bring up amazing points like the money issues and so on. I thought I was clear when I said it started with maynor, then brewer, and then it spiraled downhill from there. Obviously dwill, Mathews and the whole gang.

I hated boozer the most out of anyone. Sure we could have made a few moves where we were lacking like dealing boozer, maybe signing a 2 guard. But what I'm saying is that we had a great team and all of those players started dropping like flies after Maynor was dealt. It was a rippling effect. We were winning 50+ games. I wonder to myself why did the Jazz organization not build on this and fill in the few holes we had? rather than starting from scratch???


Yeah the Lakers series obviously made all of us cringe. That's why we could have made a few moves to improve our areas where we were weak.

I would have loved to see what the team would have done now. That's all I'm saying. Hats off to no one blasting me, yet...
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"Sign a 2 guard." You complained about Brewer being dealt, yet wanted the Jazz to sign a 2 guard that would replace Brewer.

How can you fill holes when FOUR of your players are making more than 10 mil a year? And trading 10 mil/year guys ISN'T filling holes. Jazz DID do what you are complaining about. They kept the core and tried to fill what they could. They kept Okur, Boozer, AK, and Williams, and the team was getting WORSE, not better, and when Boozer's contract ended, he wanted, and got, a 50% raise. Jazz countered by getting Jefferson, but the team didn't get any better.

The way it sounds like you'd want it, the Jazz would have "filled holes" by somehow signing nothing but MLE guys, which couldn't have been done in the first place, and would put the Jazz in Laker territory as far as total salaries go, somewhere in the range of 20-30 million over the LUXURY TAX, not just the salary cap. And for what? The chance to lose in the second round?

Keep in mind, during those winning seasons, the Jazz had home court advantage ONCE. Just ONCE. And that was completely lucky given the 8 seed Warriors beating the Mavs. You'd think this "great" team you're so enamored with would've had home court in the first round at least once, right?
 
feeko said:
All of you bring up amazing points like the money issues and so on. I thought I was clear when I said it started with maynor, then brewer, and then it spiraled downhill from there. Obviously dwill, Mathews and the whole gang.

I hated boozer the most out of anyone. Sure we could have made a few moves where we were lacking like dealing boozer, maybe signing a 2 guard. But what I'm saying is that we had a great team and all of those players started dropping like flies after Maynor was dealt. It was a rippling effect. We were winning 50+ games. I wonder to myself why did the Jazz organization not build on this and fill in the few holes we had? rather than starting from scratch???


Yeah the Lakers series obviously made all of us cringe. That's why we could have made a few moves to improve our areas where we were weak.

I would have loved to see what the team would have done now. That's all I'm saying. Hats off to no one blasting me, yet...
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If I recall the offseason before Boozers last year, the jazz tried to trade him. KOC couldn't find any acceptable trades I recall the heat wanting to give us butler and other scrubs for him. I think that was the best offer on the table. KOC did a great job being patient, in doing so we were able to turn Boozer into Al Jefferson with a trade exception we got for Boozer if I recall most were exited about getting Big Al even Deron was happy with the move. Remember Derons declaration "I will make you an all-star" quote. Then we found out that Al didn't fit the offense.

Back to the time you are referring to, the jazz had no money to to fill in the holes the jazz had that's why they traded Brewer and Maynor. If I recall the contract discussions with Brewer didn't go well Brewer wanted more money then the jazz could afford. The jazz saw Brewer as nothing more then a role player while Brewer saw it a little different. If the Jazz had payed Brewer and Kept Maynor not only would the jazz have lost Matthews they may not have been able to keep Millsap. I can live with a business decision that insures the future. While still beng able to field a competitive team. The move that bugs me the most, and when the jazz made the move it made me upset was the Memo contract extension.
 
feeko said:
When the ownership dealt Eric Maynor I was shocked. Nobody saw it at the time, but it was the beginning of our collapse...Then a few weeks later, boom, Ronnie Brewer goes. Slowly but surely, the core of players that we had built up were evaporating before our eyes.
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1. Brewer wasn't going to be resigned following the 09-10 season so Utah would've lost him for nothing that offseason. O'Connor managed to get a protected 1st-rnd pick from Memphis that he used in the Al Jefferson trade. My only concern at the time was the trade hurt our depth on the wing - which was amplifited when AK missed virtually all of the playoffs and the last month of the regular season - but that was a short-term concern only.

2. Sure a healthy Eric Maynor on this year's roster would be a nice bonus, but it's not like trading Maynor began the downfall of the franchise. Memo's injury and the attempt to replace Boozer-Matthews-Korver with Jefferson-Bell-CJ was the tipping point that ended Utah's run as a 50-win team and one of the best offensive teams in basketball - but it had nothing to do with Maynor - who as much as I like the way he runs the point, IMO he's a Howard Eisley-type player - terrific and highly effective backup PG but a marginal starter in the NBA.
 
If the question was "do you wish the Jazz hadn't signed an post-peak Harpring to a 4 year deal (and, thus, keep Maynor)?" then it's a slam dunk YES. The Harp and Memo extensions are amongst the worst deals the Jazz have made.

In other words, you need more historical context. Why start pointing fingers at the Maynor trade?
 
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