Not always true. Kevin Durant, D-Wade, Kobe, etc... all turned franchises around. You don't have to start with a PG and center.
Its Kanter, D-Will2.0, and Knight in no particular order
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Not always true. Kevin Durant, D-Wade, Kobe, etc... all turned franchises around. You don't have to start with a PG and center.
There 3 does look pretty weak. Would you rather have Irving/Leonard or DWill2/Knight? really what it comes down to
How do you know? We have a new coach that hasn't implemented a system yet. He very well could be a "Jazz PG" in Ty's system. That and his numbers are nearly identical to Deron's his freshman year, accept for the points. He was the number one scoring option on his team, Deron wasn't. His stats at Kentucky this year stack up to Deron's career stats fairly well, and he's the same size (needs to put on weight, obviously) is a better shooter, right on par with athleticism and overall speed (Deron has a quicker first step). The claim that he is not a Jazz point guard just because he scored a lot of points and had his share of turnovers is a completely bogus claim.
Williams/Knight is the best realistic combo they can get, in my opinion.
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I was referring to his generally low assist per minute and his rather high turnover percentage. Don't get me wrong, if the Jazz pick Knight, I will be be happy even though he is my personal least favorite out of the three likely to fall to the Jazz.
Even Irving has warts. Yes he is 6'3", but 10.2 percent fat. When I read he has been practicing 2 hours a day my first thought "was that all." This is the biggest job interview of his life and he shows up out of shape. Depressing. That said, I would still love to have him or Knight warts and all.
I was referring to his generally low assist per minute and his rather high turnover percentage. Don't get me wrong, if the Jazz pick Knight, I will be be happy even though he is my personal least favorite out of the three likely to fall to the Jazz.
Even Irving has warts. Yes he is 6'3", but 10.2 percent fat. When I read he has been practicing 2 hours a day my first thought "was that all." This is the biggest job interview of his life and he shows up out of shape. Depressing. That said, I would still love to have him or Knight warts and all.
Cleveland could very well take Derrick Williams at #1 and take either Knight or Walker at #4. Irving is the better pick at 1 by itself, but the Cavs have to look at this draft more holistically and compare Irving + Kanter/Leonard/Vesely vs. Knight/Walker + Derrik Williams. It all depends on how high they are on Derrick Williams.
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I'm just not impressed with Knight. He seems fine but not outstanding - like stuff you can find in the teens, maybe even the 20s. Rajon Rondo was picked 21. I just don't like the idea of wasting the #3 pick on a better than average PG. Maybe.
I feel pretty good with the Jazz getting the 3rd pick since it guarantees one of Irving, Williams, or Kanter. But all this Knight-love kind of freaks me out. If the Jazz draft him with one of these other guys still on the board I will be so disappointed.
I feel pretty good with the Jazz getting the 3rd pick since it guarantees one of Irving, Williams, or Kanter. But all this Knight-love kind of freaks me out. If the Jazz draft him with one of these other guys still on the board I will be so disappointed.
You continue to use Rondo as your only example of elite point guards taken outside of the top 10. Yes, he is an excellent example, but he was far from a sure thing coming out of college, too. He averaged fewer assists than Knight did in his freshman year and only .6 more his sophomore year, had a horrible jump shot, and his only real strengths were speed and rebounding (hardly a quality you need from your pg). Maybe Knight IS a point guard you can typically find in the teens, but not this year. This year, he is among the 4 or 5 players with the most upside and potential in the draft, due to an admittedly weak draft. It doesn't matter what happens in other drafts, he's a top 5 player in THIS draft and a guy we need to look long and hard at if Williams and Irving are off the board.
BENTLEY
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But the Jazz don't need a PG. "Not this year." (Devin Harris is starting)
And Knight is still a couple years away anyway, so why waste a pick on him when he's superfluous and the Jazz can just wait until another year to burn a pick in the teens on a PG.
Jazz don't need a PF either (Jefferson, Favors, Millsap, Memo) but a guy with Kanter's talent will not be in the teens in any year. That's why I advocate picking him up and then parlaying him, or another PF on the roster, into a deal that brings in some assets.
Next year looks like an awesome draft. The Jazz can get a really good SF next year and if you're interested in a PG, North Carolina's Kendall Marshall is currently projected going at the top of the second round on DX.
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Harrison Barnes was underwhelming UNTIL Kendall Marshall became the Tar Heels starting PG. I like a PG that makes the rest of the players better.
Yes, I'd be ecstatic to get both Barnes and Marshall in the 2012 draft. But even if the Jazz can't get Barnes there are a ton of promising wings after him.
Yes, I'd be ecstatic to get both Barnes and Marshall in the 2012 draft. But even if the Jazz can't get Barnes there are a ton of promising wings after him.
I'm still pulling for Williams to solve our wing problems. Harris is getting old for a point guard that relies on quickness to be successful. Why not bring in a guy who can immediately challenge for a starting spot while also learning from a pretty decent veteran point guard with similar size that can challenge his weaknesses in practice to become a better all round player? We're not winning a ring next year even if we were to land Williams and Kanter. Give the 18 year old kid a year or two to develop into everything he CAN be. We've seen dramatic improvement to date, enough to excite me about the prospect of him running our team a couple of years down the line.