I've never been so scared in my life

[NAOS]

I have a problem with your conceptualization of the individual, community, and technology (sidestepping the role of the brain and its information infrastructure in defining the individual, the relationship between autonomy and communal interdependence, the fact that 'style' doesn't capture the essence of technology, and more).

But as far as your actual question; no. I never really had a problem with you, and I've always enjoyed our discussions. CL was sitting on that waiting to strike, and he blew his load prematurely. He could have found a better position from which to launch his attack.

I actually didn't conceptualize the individual in that (incomplete) post. I have a theory of the individual, of choice/Reason, of authorship, etc. The point of that post was to disaggregate the way these are traditionally conceptualized, not to put forward my conceptualization.

It was poorly written; I will definitely admit to that.

 

[JFFR]

I have been thinking about this a bit today, and the reaction that we have now vs the reaction that we had 20 years ago.

When I was in 7th grade (20 years ago) I got on the bus one morning, and it was super quiet on the bus, even though it was completely full. I asked my friend that I sat next to what was going on, and his response was "Mathias is strapped." I had no idea what that meant, so he told me that he had a gun. The kid with the gun was a ninth grader who was already affiliated with gangs, and we all knew there was a rival gang member at the school waiting for him. The fight had been brewing for weeks.

We arrived at the school, and we saw this kid Don Manusina, a HUGE polynesian kid, waiting kind of close to the bus stop. It was like 7;45 AM, and we all gathered to watch was about to go down. Don had a bat, Mathias had a gun, but Don didn't know about the gun. I saw the handgun as we were getting off the bus. Somehow with all these kids, all we could think about was watching a fight. I don't even think anyone notified a teacher. It got to the point of these two wrestling and rolling around on the ground, and Mathias ending up with the baseball bat, and beating Don's head in. I remember blood running out of his ear. I don't know why the gun was not used, as the scene was plenty brutal, and was frankly pretty damn terrifying. There were at least a couple hundred kids around that morning.

I remember the teachers and the school police officer yelling at us to get to class, while they picked up the gun and the bat, and restrained the boys. I don't remember hearing anything on the news, or having my parents notified, and we certainly didn't miss out on school that day, in fact we probably were not even late for class because it all happened so fast.

The situation from today is not exactly the same, but the reaction was so different.

Thanks for sharing this story. I went to high school around the time of Columbine and during my four years my high school was evacuated or locked down several times because of bomb threats, a person with a gun shooting people on the freeway a mile away, a mysterious back pack left in a bathroom, parents notice guns are missing and don't know where there child is, and a few other scenarios. When I was in middle school, a student was shot at the high school (I grew up in Reno and went to a high school that was middle to upper middle class. There was not a lot of violence in my neighborhood.) All of these events were on the news, but it was not the reaction we are seeing today. It is an interesting phenomenon. As students we were scared, but not frantic. I remember being crouched under a desk for about half an hour and everyone being upset and tired of the entire situation, but no one was sobbing or frantic. It seems to me that there is a lot more panic now.

I don't know if the news stations just sensationalize things more or if I have a selective memory. But I feel the news has put every one on edge. (I really don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing.)


Here's a list of school shootings in the US... it's a lot more than just Columbine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States

 

[fishonjazz]

I remember the teachers and the school police officer yelling at us to get to class, while they picked up the gun and the bat, and restrained the boys. I don't remember hearing anything on the news, or having my parents notified, and we certainly didn't miss out on school that day, in fact we probably were not even late for class because it all happened so fast.

Dat K-TOWN doe.

 

[bigb]

Holly hell, neither of these dudes have read one word of my posts in this thread but are cocksure they know what they're talking about.
[MENTION=82]bigb[/MENTION] [MENTION=40]Siro[/MENTION], you guys have any problems with what I've said to you in this thread?

I haven't had a problem with anything you've said on this thread. That being said, there is a little truth to what they say. You do have a way of coming across as someone who thinks he's supremely intelligent (you may be, I don't know) and anyone who disagrees with you is the equivalent of a retarded goat.

 

[NAOS]

I haven't had a problem with anything you've said on this thread. That being said, there is a little truth to what they say. You do have a way of coming across as someone who thinks he's supremely intelligent (you may be, I don't know) and anyone who disagrees with you is the equivalent of a retarded goat.

You've had a problem with my general tone since I joined this board. I don't expect that to change. Thanks for the honesty about this particular thread. Cheers.

 

[bigb]

You've had a problem with my general tone since I joined this board. I don't expect that to change. Thanks for the honesty about this particular thread. Cheers.

Much like I don't expect your condescending tone to change. But, I'm always open to honest discussion (as long as you drop that stupid 7th Day Adventist shtick, as I'm not sure where you were ever going with that).
Thanks for the caring responses you've had my daughter (that goes for everyone). For as much as we all may be online dicks to each other, when the real life chips are down, we all always band together.

 

[bigb]

https://kutv.com/news/local/body-cam-footage

 

[fishonjazz]

https://kutv.com/news/local/body-cam-footage

Pretty cool video.
Thanks for posting.

 

[bigb]

https://www.ksl.com/?sid=43282178&nid=148

The kid got sentenced yesterday. They had been discussing whether to make him an adult, but they kept him a minor; which I agree with. Basically, he's in a "secure juvenile facility" and it's up to the parole authority how long he stays there. He pleaded guilty to two felonies.
The story talks about him being a troubled teen and reaching out for help, but seemingly "falling through the cracks" several times.


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[JazzGal]

Sad for all involved.

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