Jackpotting Around Episode 17

[Handlogten's Heros]

TJ did throw some cold water on the Brandon Ingram stuff in his interview with Spence a couple days ago... also mentioned Super Swaps. He did mention Okoro but I think this is the team and we do a salary dump maybe.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I mean, this kind of makes sense for both sides?

Collins is way way better than Lyles. They have a 3 man guard rotation of DDR/Fox/Monk. They are going to play Murray a lot at the 3. Huerter was getting benched for them because of defense and he doesn't really make sense on their roster.

Lyles expires after the year and you can just let him ride the pine. You can probably trade Huerter during the season. If not he is easy to trade as an expiring, or maybe you just keep him as a bench shooter? Its not like he will add that many wins.

Seems like the Kings want to push in and this is a way to add talent without paying a big price tag.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Interesting

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To Elizah's point that fans/media members of teams are still interested in Collins

Interesting. Think they might do Huerter and Carter? I can’t think of a package that might work besides that.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I think there are some situations he works. Kyle is the play by play guy and IDK that he is super clued in... A deal with Sacramento is kinda hard to envision. Not that that is your point. Just saying that particular team would have a hard time making the structure of a deal work.

Actually think it's fairly easy to envision given they have matching salary

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Interesting

Interesting. Think they might do Huerter and Carter? I can’t think of a package that might work besides that.

No way in hell they do Carter. Carter is part of the reason they'd trade Huerter in this deal as they have him to replace Huerters minutes when he gets healthy.

For the Jazz you just welcome the fact you don't have to give minutes to a vet and you get off salary quicker. Huerter is also a decent asset

 

[NUMBERICA]

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I mean, this kind of makes sense for both sides?

Collins is way way better than Lyles. They have a 3 man guard rotation of DDR/Fox/Monk. They are going to play Murray a lot at the 3. Huerter was getting benched for them because of defense and he doesn't really make sense on their roster.

Lyles expires after the year and you can just let him ride the pine. You can probably trade Huerter during the season. If not he is easy to trade as an expiring, or maybe you just keep him as a bench shooter? Its not like he will add that many wins.

Seems like the Kings want to push in and this is a way to add talent without paying a big price tag.

Why does Utah do this? Ainge is gonna need value and there’s really no (talent) value here.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Why does Utah do this? Ainge is gonna need value and there’s really no (talent) value here.

Because Lyles and Huerter give you less wins than John Collins. Lyles expires this year and Huerter's expiring is an easier trade than Collins expiring. Shooters always have some sort of value.

 

[NUMBERICA]

No way in hell they do Carter. Carter is part of the reason they'd trade Huerter in this deal as they have him to replace Huerters minutes when he gets healthy.

For the Jazz you just welcome the fact you don't have to give minutes to a vet and you get off salary quicker. Huerter is also a decent asset

My sense is Sac has been desperate to get off of Huerter, so I have no idea how he is an asset.

And I mention Carter because Ainge is going to ask for an actual asset, but Sacramento needs to salary match so an old rookie guard that won’t play for six months seems to fit the bill.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Because Lyles and Huerter give you less wins than John Collins. Lyles expires this year and Huerter's expiring is an easier trade than Collins expiring. Shooters always have some sort of value.

Ainge isn’t doing that. There has to be at least the appearance of future-facing talent value (or just general talent upgrade) for him to do it.

I’m also not that convinced that Collins actually helps the Jazz win games so I’m not in a rush to trade him. Kessler is much more of an anti-tank, Collins is kind of stealth-tanky. That dynamic matters because Collins pushes Kessler off the floor (or forces a three-big lineup).

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

My sense is Sac has been desperate to get off of Huerter, so I have no idea how he is an asset.

And I mention Carter because Ainge is going to ask for an actual asset, but Sacramento needs to salary match so an old rookie guard that won’t play for six months seems to fit the bill.

Huerter was really good his first year in Sacramento.

Of course I don't have full context for the going on a of the Kings, but Mike Brown seems to not love him and Monk/Murray got more shots/usage over his.

I think he's a better piece to have for Utah than Collins as far as a trade chip.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Ainge isn’t doing that. There has to be at least the appearance of future-facing talent value for him to do it.

I’m also not that convinced that Collins actually helps the Jazz win games so I’m not in a rush to trade him. Kessler is much more of an anti-tank, Collins is kind of stealth-tanky.

Collins as a 3rd big, which if you believe Tony Jones that is what they will do this year with Walker starting, is very much a positive impact player. I think he just had a weird adjustment year.

Ainge doesn't have to have value everywhere. He once traded Bogey for Kelly Olynyk

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

And no, they aren't going to trade the guy they just selected in the lotto just because he will be out for a year for a player that has neutral value at best.