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Game Thread Jan 10, 2023 07:00PM MT: Jazz vs Cavaliers

Added to Calendar: 01-10-23

Cavs are not a contender as is imo. And they gave up so much for Donovan , they probably won't ever be without internal growth from unlikely roster members. But, losing J.Allen after a few minutes, killed their 2 monster point of attack last night. He plays all the game and they probably win given we couldn't stop Mitchell at all. I thought Stevens? did a decent job of taking the Finnisher out of his rhythm. That is the kind of aggressive physical defense that I see coming for him in the second half of the season, especially if he makes the ASG. But maybe that will be the ignition button for a late season tank afterall.
 
SoUjazzfan said:
Honestly the best part of this win is that we won't have to hear lopo gloat about Mitchell's performance. He had a couple of missed threes late that helped seal it. Had they won, I'm afraid lopo would be insufferable!
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And we don't see the Cavs for another year. So this whole mess can be put behind us and forgotten about for at least 10 months or so.
 
HermanG said:
This is stunning:

Cavs with Garland 17-16 ORtg 115.1 DRtg 112.3

Cavs without Garland 9-0 ORtg 118.0 DRtg 105.3
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Ya I think they gave us the wrong dude in the donovan trade. I bet they would be better with Lauri than garland. And I think garland was the player with more value. The player they were more reluctant to trade. Would be interesting to see how good they would be with Lauri and how good we would be with garland. Glad we got Lauri.
 
HermanG said:
This is stunning:

Cavs with Garland 17-16 ORtg 115.1 DRtg 112.3

Cavs without Garland 9-0 ORtg 118.0 DRtg 105.3
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This interests me because many on here thought Donovan would be at his best as the PG and primary ball handler.

fishonjazz said:
Ya I think they gave us the wrong dude in the donovan trade. I bet they would be better with Lauri than garland. And I think garland was the player with more value. The player they were more reluctant to trade. Would be interesting to see how good they would be with Lauri and how good we would be with garland. Glad we got Lauri.
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This is interesting to think about. Our return would have been a lot smaller picks wise.
 
Elizah Huge said:
This interests me because many on here thought Donovan would be at his best as the PG and primary ball handler.



This is interesting to think about. Our return would have been a lot smaller picks wise.
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What we do know that despite being older, I think Conley has looked better without Don than with him.

I think Donovan is like Kyrie or Trae in a sense that you just let him do his thing and he will be most effective. You dont want a traditional PG next to a guy like that since he isnt great off ball.. doesnt cut, doesnt set the best screens etc.. so it eats away from what traditional PGs need to be effective.

Trae and Dejounte have the same problem. They just take turns possessions, but neither one supports the other.

Simmons on the other hand is the perfect backfield partner for Kyrie. Defends really well and can run set plays for the other 3 but is not ball dominant and lets Kyrie and KD take all the shots.
 
HermanG said:
What we do know that despite being older, I think Conley has looked better without Don than with him.

I think Donovan is like Kyrie or Trae in a sense that you just let him do his thing and he will be most effective. You dont want a traditional PG next to a guy like that since he isnt great off ball.. doesnt cut, doesnt set the best screens etc.. so it eats away from what traditional PGs need to be effective.

Trae and Dejounte have the same problem. They just take turns possessions, but neither one supports the other.

Simmons on the other hand is the perfect backfield partner for Kyrie. Defends really well and can run set plays for the other 3 but is not ball dominant and lets Kyrie and KD take all the shots.
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That is really not true at all. Conley had one of the best years of his career next to Donovan. He was an all-star and was very good.
 
fishonjazz said:
Ya I think they gave us the wrong dude in the donovan trade. I bet they would be better with Lauri than garland.
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Abso-****ing-lutely.

fishonjazz said:
And I think garland was the player with more value. The player they were more reluctant to trade.
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Of course, he couldn't have been traded anyway because they had just given him a 5 year max extension. Which was stupid but inevitable. That's the NBA these days.
 
Tremendous Upside said:
Abso-****ing-lutely.

Of course, he couldn't have been traded anyway because they had just given him a 5 year max extension. Which was stupid but inevitable. That's the NBA these days.
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He could have been traded it just would have been difficult due to the PPP.
 
fishonjazz said:
Ya I think they gave us the wrong dude in the donovan trade. I bet they would be better with Lauri than garland. And I think garland was the player with more value. The player they were more reluctant to trade. Would be interesting to see how good they would be with Lauri and how good we would be with garland. Glad we got Lauri.
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No they wouldnt lmfao.

They can trade Garland now and get more for him. IF they kept Lauri he probably would have been in a similar role playing next to two big men and putting up modest stats.
 
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