Game Thread Jan 25, 2024 05:00PM MT: Jazz at Wizards

[fishonjazz]

I think he was getting fouled on jumpers a lot early in the year
A Walkersexual can't take Kessler being critiqued. What's new?

The post was about how gafford had a great game. You turned that into a kessler criticism when Kessler had extremely little to do with gaffords game.
That's your current schtick.
I have no problem with someone criticizing Kessler when it makes sense. He sucked last night. He is a horrible free throw shooting and doesn't do much else than dunk on offense. Hell, I was the one who brought up trading him in the Kessler thread.
You have made other critical posts about him today that I didn't respond to. If I responded to all your negative posts about Kessler there would be no time in my life for anything else

You were being silly here

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[Tanktastic]

I'm saying that Lauri markennan with a full of steam going one on one at rim is a good play. It's even better when you have a wide open dunk for a teammate as an option.

If the secondary defender doesn't have to respect the player outside and camp in the paint, it's no longer one-on-one. Lauri blew past Kuzma, but it was one-on-two as Gafford was already in the paint before Lauri was. Walker reacted after Gafford went in the paint, but it certainly isn't by design.

And seriously, what's with the "markennan"?

 

[MTS]

The post was about how gafford had a great game. You turned that into a kessler criticism when Kessler had extremely little to do with gaffords game.
That's your current schtick.
I have no problem with someone criticizing Kessler when it makes sense. He sucked last night. He is a horrible free throw shooting and doesn't do much else than dunk on offense. Hell, I was the one who brought up trading him in the Kessler thread.
You have made other critical posts about him today that I didn't respond to. If I responded to all your negative posts about Kessler there would be no time in my life for anything else

You were being silly here

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You know how sometimes when a kid has a crush on somebody, they'll make fun of their crush all the time?

Really starting to think Cy's "Walkersexual" thing is just a projection of his true feelings.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

You know how sometimes when a kid has a crush on somebody, they'll make fun of their crush all the time?

Really starting to think Cy's "Walkersexual" thing is just a projection of his true feelings.

No, you know what it actually is Mr Throws Fits When Hardy Isn't Riding Walker for 30 MPG

 

[fishonjazz]

If the secondary defender doesn't have to respect the player outside and camp in the paint, it's no longer one-on-one. Lauri blew past Kuzma, but it was one-on-two as Gafford was already in the paint before Lauri was. Walker reacted after Gafford went in the paint, but it certainly isn't by design.

And seriously, what's with the "markennan"?

There was no secondary defender. He was behind the play.
It markennan and Kessler vs gafford. A 2 on 1 in the jazz favor. That play will get us a bucket, or free throws or both 95% of the time. Great execution on a great play. Better defense though.

If you don't think that was the play then I guess we should blame keyonte for looking for markennan, blame markennan for running that curl, blame keyonte for making the pass, blame markennan for taking the shot.

I just don't see how that play is kesslers fault.

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[fishonjazz]

No, you know what it actually is Mr Throws Fits When Hardy Isn't Riding Walker for 30 MPG

Didn't see a single post criticizing hardy about that last night. Kessler sucked last night and had 5 fouls.

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[MTS]

Didn't see a single post criticizing hardy about that last night. Kessler sucked last night and had 5 fouls.

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I think the only time I did that recently was in the OKC game, and that was such an egregious example that even Cy himself said Walker should have gotten more playing time in that gamethread.

 

[Tanktastic]

There was no secondary defender. He was behind the play.
It markennan and Kessler vs gafford. A 2 on 1 in the jazz favor. That play will get us a bucket, or free throws or both 95% of the time. Great execution on a great play. Better defense though.

If you don't think that was the play then I guess we should blame keyonte for looking for markennan, blame markennan for running that curl, blame keyonte for making the pass, blame markennan for taking the shot.

Kuzma was the primary defender. If you can't see even that, then I don't know what tell you. And Lauri beat him like a drum, even with JC's screen being a bit... soft, let's say.

If Lauri first beats three guys and then ends up 1:1 on somebody, it wasn't a 1:1 - it's one on four.

If our player in the weak side corner is Simo or even Collins, it's a free run to the hoop and a hammer dunk for Lauri. But because it's Walker, Gafford doesn't have to respect it one bit and can already be in the paint ahead of Lauri - and make that great defensive play.

The play was one that we run a ton. Lauri in the strong corner, someone pins down for him, he cuts (they don't switch), gets the pass as he already has a full head of steam and then goes for the hoop.

What the play doesn't include (as @HermanG said) is the weak side player cutting backdoor. Like, ever.

The play was perfectly executed by Keyonte, Lauri and JC and usually in that case that's 2-3 points for the Jazz. But the reason that Gafford could easily beat Lauri to the basket was because the weak side player was Walker.

 

[fishonjazz]

Kuzma was the primary defender. If you can't see even that, then I don't know what tell you. And Lauri beat him like a drum, even with JC's screen being a bit... soft, let's say.

If Lauri first beats three guys and then ends up 1:1 on somebody, it wasn't a 1:1 - it's one on four.

If our player in the weak side corner is Simo or even Collins, it's a free run to the hoop and a hammer dunk for Lauri. But because it's Walker, Gafford doesn't have to respect it one bit and can already be in the paint ahead of Lauri - and make that great defensive play.

The play was one that we run a ton. Lauri in the strong corner, someone pins down for him, he cuts (they don't switch), gets the pass as he already has a full head of steam and then goes for the hoop.

What the play doesn't include (as @HermanG said) is the weak side player cutting backdoor. Like, ever.

The play was perfectly executed by Keyonte, Lauri and JC and usually in that case that's 2-3 points for the Jazz. But the reason that Gafford could easily beat Lauri to the basket was because the weak side player was Walker.

So I ask you, what should Walker have done to change the outcome of that play?
And I also ask you, do you feel confident in lauri with a full head of steam and only one man between him and the basket?
And I also ask you, do you think that Kessler is good at dunking when wide open?

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[Tanktastic]

So I ask you, what should Walker have done to change the outcome of that play?

Be able to shoot.

And I also ask you, do you feel confident in lauri with a full head of steam and only one man between him and the basket?

Not when a decent defender is already camped out under the basket and doesn't have to care about anyone else.

And I also ask you, do you think that Kessler is good at dunking when wide open?

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Not from 10ft out because he doesn't have gadget arms and if he has to put the ball on the ground bad things often happen.

 

[fishonjazz]

Be able to shoot.


Not when a decent defender is already camped out under the basket and doesn't have to care about anyone else.


Not from 10ft out because he doesn't have gadget arms and if he has to put the ball on the ground bad things often happen.

I take Lauri over a decent defender all day. I guess I just think more of him than you.

Walker can't shoot so nothing he could do about that.

The defender did need to worry about another player (Kessler) if the ball handler is willing to pass to a teammate for an open dunk.

Kessler wouldn't have had to dunk from 10 feet out. I posted the video and timestamped it for ya

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[Tanktastic]

If Lauri had passed - when he needed to make the pass - Walker would've got the ball 10ft out.

And I trust nobody going against a rim defender camped out, not even Giannis. Because it's then no longer a high % play.