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Jazz actively trying to move down from #3

I would much rather miss on a draft pick than a supposed "big" free agent. Throw out the Jordans and Durants that were missed on and typically if you miss on a draft pick it can hurt your team for a year or two, but you sign a FA to big money and they don't pan out, you're screwed for a lot longer. Draft picks are cheap (relatively speaking). And when Okur comes off the books it will be nice to actually have some flexibility with the roster, although we'll have to see how the new CBA affects things.
 
sepanol said:
stephen curry? hell no , i would rather knight
it would be the stupidest idea to trade our pick down. There isnt any legitimate player under first 3 anyway. If we are gonna make a trade, we better use harris or jefferson to move our 12th pick up and get a better second player
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The thing is, this draft is actually pretty deep from the 12-25 range. If we traded 3 for 6, 17, and 35 as mentioned, it may not be that bad. 17 is essentially equal to 12. There would be a decent chance to get a starting caliber player with one of those picks (12 or 17). Of course, I would be ok with this scenario only if KOC believes he can get great value at 6.
 
sepanol said:
stephen curry? hell no , i would rather knight
it would be the stupidest idea to trade our pick down. There isnt any legitimate player under first 3 anyway. If we are gonna make a trade, we better use harris or jefferson to move our 12th pick up and get a better second player
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The thing is, this draft is actually pretty deep from the 12-25 range. If we traded 3 for 6, 17, and 35 as mentioned, it may not be that bad. 17 is essentially equal to 12. There would be a decent chance to get a starting caliber player with one of those picks (12 or 17). Of course, I would be ok with this scenario only if KOC believes he can get great value at 6.
 
It sounds like a few teams have Valanciunas over Kanter on their draft board, so trading down you might still get Kanter. If not, you might get Valanciunas. If not him, Bismack.
 
Seems odd that they would trade for a veteran point guard given that they have Harris. If anything, you would want an up-and-comer that can learns omething from Harris. Since Harris' strongest part of his game is getting into the lane and that is Brandon Knight's weakest, you would think that that would be a good pair and a good mentor-mentee relationship.
 
sportsnut1232 said:
The thing is, this draft is actually pretty deep from the 12-25 range. If we traded 3 for 6, 17, and 35 as mentioned, it may not be that bad. 17 is essentially equal to 12. There would be a decent chance to get a starting caliber player with one of those picks (12 or 17). Of course, I would be ok with this scenario only if KOC believes he can get great value at 6.
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Hasn't KOC blown enough 12-25 picks during his tenure for you to be terrified by this scenario?

The list of mid to late first round players picked by him over the last dozen years or so and what he's done with them - it's nothing short of a franchise embarrassment.

Traded Borchardt, Lopez and Snyder for Greg "Frickin" Ostertag
Humpheries for Araujo
Almond dropped
Pavlovic dropped
Maynor essentially dropped for cap relief
Koufos traded
Brewer traded for a draft pick

This #3 pick is found money. It boggles my mind that people are obsessed with trading it.
 
Catchall said:
If this is true, it's not exactly a ringing endorsement for Kanter, Knight and Vesely.
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Nor for Harris. I think this is a rumor that has few legs. KOC is generally tight-lipped about deals and nothing is leaked until it's done. The Big Al trade had been simmering for almost a year, with KOC quietly picking up an additional first at the deadline by trading Brewer. The only rumor that slipped through the cracks was the AK proposal last season that subsequently died. And KOC was livid about that. Although the DWill deal was scrolled across ESPN before the Jazz could notify him, that really wasn't a leak; the trade had been submitted to the league office and the Jazz were just awaiting league approval.
 
candrew said:
Hasn't KOC blown enough 12-25 picks during his tenure for you to be terrified by this scenario?

The list of mid to late first round players picked by him over the last dozen years or so and what he's done with them - it's nothing short of a franchise embarrassment.

Traded Borchardt, Lopez and Snyder for Greg "Frickin" Ostertag
Humpheries for Araujo
Almond dropped
Pavlovic dropped
Maynor essentially dropped for cap relief
Koufos traded
Brewer traded for a draft pick

This #3 pick is found money. It boggles my mind that people are obsessed with trading it.
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I think 12-25 is a pretty broad range. There's a vast difference in the types of players available. Out of those players, I only consider Humphries and Snyder true disappointments. Ostertag was a game changer...when he wanted to be. Pavlovic has been a nice player; we lost him in the expansion draft. Brewer was a starter; but pre-season negotiations with his agent went nowhere. Essentially, KOC made a DWiIl-lite deal. Got something for him rather than losing him for nothing. You can thank Carlos for losing Maynor. Jazz anticipated Boozer NOT opting in. Once he did, Utah was forced to cut salary. And the cost for shedding Harpring's deal was Maynor.

Snyder and Humphries were highly-regarded. Look back and you'll see many experts gave the Jazz an "A" after the draft. Who knew Snyder was a nut job and it would take 5 years for Humphries to grow up and decide to add effort to his physical potential? AS for Almond and Koufos, those were probably the BPA's that late in the draft. Almond was a fantastic shooter; Koufos was young and raw with a ton of potential (like Kanter?).

I give kudos to KOC for recognizing the need to move up for DWill and not stay put for Felton. He outsmarted everyone BUT honz with the Hayward pick. AS mentioned, Brewer was a decent selction, as was Maynor. What team drafts better? Portland under Pritchard? Well, they missed on Oden. And traded the DWill pick to Utah and took Webster. OKC? Perhaps. All teams hit on some and whiff on other picks. I'd rank KOC In the top-10, definitely. And that goes for his trades and FA acquistions as well. He's managed to keep the team competitive while losing 2 superstars. Even Boston, Chicago and LA didn't do that post Bird, Jordan and Magic. And now, KOC is rebuilding again after seeing that AK-Boozer-Okur-DWill was fatally flawed, as much by injuries and attitude as defensive liabilities.

KOC's already put a solid core in place, the Jazz are well-positioned financially with AK's contract expired and Okur's coming off next summer. Sure we'd like a championship, but short of that, KOC has done a great job. And no, we're not related.
 
Again, this is purposely dropped propoganda - just like the "Jazz love so-and-so." All of it is to create churn, noise for establishing who is where with what. Jazz have 2 picks and no player is safe from trade. There are a lot of options. It is the result of the Jazz inviting a lot of options and investigating all options.

Is the #3 pick worth Lebron - of course. Is it worth LaMarcus Aldrege? Yes. Is it worth Wes Mathews? Hmmm.. Is it worth Kosta Koufous and 5 first round picks from 13-27? No. We just don't know what is being offered. That's the fun in all this. Are the Jazz ready to bet on Favors as a cornerstone and then get precise role players to play with him (e.g. Duncan + Parker/Ginoboli)?
 
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