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Jazz at Clippers Dec 29--8:30

i'm happy with the win tonight, but i think that some people are too happy about it. It might not be good enough against the contenders.

Btw, those heat and laker wins were when those teams were not at their best. Utah's performance tonight probably wouldn't have beaten either of those teams. Just curbing enthusiasm here. If you want to enjoy your win better, then stop challenging my arguments.

And yes, i do focus very heavily on sloan's coaching, because i look at the game through a coach's (manager's) lenses. Many fans prefer to follow the game more from a player's or gm's perspective. I'm not gonna let sloan's first-quarter disaster or the starting lineup's sluggishness be swept under the rug despite the favorable outcome. Okur and hayward were very promising tonight, and so was jefferson--when he got around to it.

i'm happy with the win tonight, but i think that some people are too happy about it. It might not be good enough against the contenders.

we've beaten the lakers, magic, heat, hornets, and thunder over this 32 game stretch... And we beat the heat, magic, and thunder in their backyard... You can't win them all ingame..

btw, those heat and laker wins were when those teams were not at their best. Utah's performance tonight probably wouldn't have beaten either of those teams. Just curbing enthusiasm here. If you want to enjoy your win better, then stop challenging my arguments.

actually when the jazz played the lakers, they were playing their best basketball at the time, now they've tapered off and have been losing games in the month of december... And actually, the heat weren't playing bad at the time either... It was our comeback victory that kind of sent them into a tailspin, or at least it seemed that way... I would also say we destroyed new orleans and they haven't been the same since... And we played them when they were red hot!

and yes, i do focus very heavily on sloan's coaching, because i look at the game through a coach's (manager's) lenses. Many fans prefer to follow the game more from a player's or gm's perspective. I'm not gonna let sloan's first-quarter disaster or the starting lineup's sluggishness be swept under the rug despite the favorable outcome. Okur and hayward were very promising tonight, and so was jefferson--when he got around to it.

yeah, okur scored some points and he's still got the prettiest shot for a big man that i've ever seen... But he looked as if he took boozer 101 on the defensive end of the court... It was funny because boler asked tyrone corbin at half about a couple of players, and of the players mentioned, he said they were playing physical defense, and then when it came to okur, he kind of fumbled his words because he knew he couldn't say that about okur...

Jefferson has come through for us when it mattered down the stretch in many games this year... I would rather have a player like that then somebody who scores 18 in the 1st quarter just to fizzle out and choke in the 4th... :cough: Boozer :cough:

Oh and by the way... A good coach uses games like this in the regular season to experiment with lineups that are going to help him in the more important games down the stretch... This is good coaching and right now, sloan is trying to figure out some favorable lineups with memo back in the mix... Hey, at least he isn't letting gordon rot on the bench like he would 10 years ago... So give the guy a little credit, he's expanded his coaching philosophy over the years and is still one of the best strategic coaches in the league... I swear, every time this guy calls a timeout or we go to half i can tell that serious strategic adjustments were made... Either we come out in a zone (which okur is horrible in), or we expose a matchup, etc that gets this team going and before you know it we're on an 11-2 run or something like that...

Did you see how he completely took griffin out of the game in the 3rd and 4th (all the way up until the end when the game was over and it really didn't matter)... That is coaching... He stuck 3 guys in the vicinity of griffin, and counted on other guys to miss shots... You live and die by the 3 pointer, and even though guys like amino were red hot from 3 in the 1st half, he went ice cold in the 2nd... And the clippers missed quite a few threes which led to easy jazz baskets at the other end... He also shored up our rebounding in the 2nd half and we did better...

That, ingame, is coaching... I've seen a lot of bad coaches being a vikings fan, so i know a little bit about this... You can always tell when adjustments are actually made, or more importantly, adjustments that are effective are made... Not to mention, sloan has got to be one of the best motivators that i've ever seen... To get a team to work hard to come back in games is not an easy thing to do... He has them believing they can come back, because if they didn't they would flounder towards the end and fizzle out...

Say what you want about jerry sloan, but i say he's solid and easily the best coach in the league right now... And yes, i know you're probably going to want to throw phil jackson at me... But tell me... When has that guy ever took a job in which he's had to rebuild a team from the ground up?? Did he really even build the bulls?? I think they may have already been up and comers before he got there... Players like michael jordan rarely emerge because of good coaching, it's usually god given talent... Yet sloan turns garbage into fine wine time and time again... Shandon anderson, chris morris, jeff foster, greg ostertag, antoine carr, maurice williams, deshawn stevenson, etc... I could go on and on here... When these guys left the jazz, most of them did little to nothing! Does phil do that?? No, he's a coach that knows how to keep a bunch of egos playing together without it blowing up into one big brawl between them... Which is also not an easy thing to do, but honestly, i think sloan could do it too if given the chance...

jmo
 
In other words, if Sloan took your coaching 101 classes, we would be on pace to win 70+games and be No.1 in the WEstern conference. Never mind the talent we have. It is all matchups and rotations.

Give any roster to Armchairstrategy and he'll make them contend with just good in-game substitutions.
We all know that already. You dont have to end every argument or dicussion on this reminder.

Someone get Greg Miller on the line.
 
Pretty amazing: IGS points out a solution to the Jazz's two big problems this season, slow starts and size, and gets ripped up one side and down the other. Everyone, including Sloan, acknowledge the problem yet Jerry has made how many adjustments to combat it? 0 (zero). None. Nada. Zip. Keeps throwing the pre-ordained starting 5 out there night in, night out, and watches them night in, night out go down by 10 to 15 very quickly. Sure, they have done a sensational job of coming back and getting wins but the slow starts and lack of rebounding are still a major problem. You do not get to ringland with those problems.

When Sloan keeps up with this inattention to consistent and persistent problems, the Jazz will get dumped out of the playoffs again in the 1st or 2nd round 1-4 against the Laker, Spurs, or Mavs. The wailing here will be loud and long. But of course, it won't be ole Jer's fault, nope, no way.
 
22-10 overall and an easy schedule coming up. This is the good times.
I will be happy that Jeff and Hay stepped up and had great games. Are you only gonna be happy with wins over the best teams?

Am I only gonna be happy with wins over the best teams? LMAO. Yes. Yes.Yes.Yes.Yes.Yes.Yes.Yes.Yes.Yes.Yes.Yes.

You see, my one and only real goal for the Jazz is a championship. To do that, by definition you have to beat the best teams. More specifically, you have to beat them 4 out of 7. I enjoyed the win over the Clips and enjoyed it, but who will remember it 10 years from now?

I do not care if they win over 50 games for the next 800 seasons yet get bounced out of the playoffs every year. And the Jazz seem stuck there with little indication they will rise above that this year. Not none, just little indication.
 
Am I only gonna be happy with wins over the best teams? LMAO. Yes. Yes.Yes.Yes.Yes.Yes.Yes.Yes.Yes.Yes.Yes.Yes.

You see, my one and only real goal for the Jazz is a championship. .

I think you should be a Lakers fan. Not because the Lakers win championships, but because what you wrote is EXACTLY the mentality of lakers fans. They can't enjoy anything. Then when they do win the championship, the fans are all immediately talking about the next one, the dynasty, whatnot. It's never enough.
When do you guys ever sit back and enjoy good basketball?
 
I think you should be a Lakers fan. Not because the Lakers win championships, but because what you wrote is EXACTLY the mentality of lakers fans. They can't enjoy anything. Then when they do win the championship, the fans are all immediately talking about the next one, the dynasty, whatnot. It's never enough.
When do you guys ever sit back and enjoy good basketball?

We can all have our viewpoints and mine is as valid as yours. In football, I am a 49ers fan. Right now they are a doormat of the league and have been for 10 years. But I will always be satisfied having been a fan due to the glory years of Walsh and Montana and Young and Rice. It is great to have your team win it all. Why should a Jazz fan be satisfied with less? And don't give me small market bs.
 
We can all have our viewpoints and mine is as valid as yours. In football, I am a 49ers fan. Right now they are a doormat of the league and have been for 10 years. But I will always be satisfied having been a fan due to the glory years of Walsh and Montana and Young and Rice. It is great to have your team win it all. Why should a Jazz fan be satisfied with less? And don't give me small market bs.

I don't remember saying that you couldn't have your viewpoint.

Ok, I'll play along. I am a big BYU fan. I even went to school there. I lived through the 1984 national championship and saw every game. You may not believe this, but after BYU won their first game that year, I told my friend "We could win the National Championship!" He said I was crazy.
It was fantastic. So I know it is great to have your team win it all. But it didn't change my life. I didn't do anything to help the team win. I watched and rooted and enjoyed every game.
Then I had my real life to deal with.

In the many years that have followed, I don't need that 84 championship to fall back on. I enjoy each BYU team for what it is. Each year is great in its own way (except for the last Crowton year). Even this year, I enjoyed getting to see the team come back from being so miserable and improving and playing some great football. There was no championship. BYU even choked it against Utah. But as the season ended, I can say that I enjoyed this year quite a lot. I am also excited for the future...VERY excited.
I don't sit here and say, "I am satisfied that we won the championship in 84, therefore, my being a BYU fan is valid" or whatever.

As for the Jazz right now. THEY CANNOT WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP RIGHT NOW, because that cannot happen until JUNE. The only thing they can do is win as many games as possible right now and keep striving to improve. They are doing that. I am enjoying it. It's too bad that some of you can only mitch and boan about it, but if you want to be a crying pessimist, go ahead, but I am gonna make fun of you for it.
 
Well said, Craig. It's the journey, not the destination.

Like with me and my Saints. Did I need them to win the superbowl to validate me being a fan? No. It was great that after 40 years that they finally pulled it off, but win or lose I'm still going to be a Saints fan and I'm going to enjoy rooting for my team. And when you can do that, it makes it even sweeter when it finally does happen.

The Jazz may not have won it all in '97, but do you know how ****ing great it felt to be one of the 20,000 people who met the team at the airport the night Stockton sank the Rockets? That's what being a fan is. Championships or no.
 
THE BEST PART ABOUT LAST NIGHT'S GAME:
To me, even more than Hayward's breakout performance and confidence in his jumpshot was Al Jefferson's low-post scoring. Dreadful 1st qtr but in the 2nd-half he scored 19 pts on 8-13 shooting and grabbed all 10 of his rebounds. More importantly, a large portion of our offense became throwing the ball to Al on either the left or right block where he was able to score with his right-hand jump hook. Even better, he got 3 easy and open looks at the basket off our cross-screen action - a staple of Jazz basketball that he hasn't been able to take advantage of thus far.

That's what most expected to be getting from Al. Now he just needs to be consistent - not expecting 30 pts but atleast 50% shooting and 10 rebounds should be the norm. In LA he did most of his damage on DeAndre Jordan and Ike Diagu. A bigger test will be Portland (even if Camby's out) but we know Al can produce - we just need to see that efficiency more consistently. It's awfully encouraging to see the Jazzgenerate offense that doesn't involve running Deron off screens or having Deron attack off the dribble.
 
Man I woulda missed last night's game, as I'm still out fo town for the holidays. I work with DISH though, so I got the hook up for that TV Everywhere with my iphone. I thought DVR would be the last best thing to happen to TV but this is a complete game changer. Doesn't matter where you are, you can watch games, DVR, whatever. It's awesome. Anyone else use TV Everywhere?
 
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