Jazz, George Hill taking contract talks down to wire

[elan_prodigy]

Hill has said constantly he wants to be settled, the last thing he wants is to spend his remaining years in an uncertain situation, I believe he is at the age where he would like to see out the rest of his career in the one place. Utah is a perfect fit for Hill and vise versa, he is the perfect mentor for Dante and the FO knows this and would be willing to pay a little extra just for this but not to the point where it breaks the bank and jeopardizes their future.

I don't see Hill risking being bounced around the league (if things go south) for an extra $4-5Mil/yr. If he signs with Utah you can all but guarantee he retires here because even if he were to get injured (worst case) the team won't move him because of what he can offer Dante.

 

[Deleted member 848]

In what world has Jrue been more reliable health-wise?

Was referring to this year. And Jrue's health isn't something that I see as posing long-term ramifications. Before the Cousins trade the stats he was putting up were very good. He only missed games this year because of his wife, he's shown zero signs of lack of health.

If they're both fetching similar values, I will choose Jrue over George every time.

 

[Deleted member 95]

Was referring to this year. And Jrue's health isn't something that I see as posing long-term ramifications. Before the Cousins trade the stats he was putting up were very good. He only missed games this year because of his wife, he's shown zero signs of lack of health.

If they're both fetching similar values, I will choose Jrue over George every time.

I don't really know Jrue that well. You think he'd fit in and provide some of the same things Hill brings?

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[Game6Conley]

This post sucks.

Thats a playoff team tho.. unless it gets obliterated with injuries... Do you dispute that??


There's easily thousands of variations given all that wiggle-room that I'd vouch for too.. Thats how much flexibility there'd be... It really doesn't suck.. JaMychal Green is a pipe-dream scenario RFA pickup. U can't convince me he's not a perfect fit..

The point of the post is certainly not that Gallinari's better than Hayward. It's price dependent.

The point is there's quality/value/talent enough to make the playoffs with

Gobert - 4 yrUFA
Favors - 1yrUFA
Burks - 2yrUFA
Johnson - 1yrUFA
Exum - 1yrRFA
Lyles - 2yrRFA
Hood - 1yrRFA
Neto - 1yrUFA
Bolomboy - 2yrUFA

+ some good signings and finding a few good players with the 4 1st rd picks the next 2 drafts.. I haven't crunched the #'s but the teams age would be trending sharply back down towards 25..

Ideally they'd get players like Gallo(or lets say Rudy Gay) and Teague(Jrue) on 2 year deals with options for the 3rd.. 4 years for Green is safe. Patty Mills I'd sign for 4 too. Ingles 4,he didn't make that scenario but should be a super-high priority if Hayward walks.

 

[Game6Conley]

If they're both fetching similar values, I will choose Jrue over George every time.

It's not gonna be close. George Hill will get at-least 15% more unless he falls off a cliff to close out the season/in the playoffs...

 

[Deleted member 848]

It's not gonna be close. George Hill will get at-least 15% more unless he falls off a cliff to close out the season/in the playoffs...

if this is the case, then you gotta roll with Jrue Holiday.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I don't really know Jrue that well. You think he'd fit in and provide some of the same things Hill brings?

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They're different players-- Hill is the better natural leader, but Jrue is the better playmaker. George is the better floor-spacer (you can't leave the guy open) but Jrue is the greater offensive threat. Defensively I'd say they're a wash-- while George Hill has the longer wingspan, Jrue is a genuine 6'4" and can easily guard SGs in a pinch. Here's a clip of him guarding Porz and Wiggins on post-ups:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=walZf_EAAvM

He also collects steals and blocks at a higher clip, along with the good advanced D-stats that speak well on his behalf.

The kicker here is the age-difference though-- you can sign Jrue to a 4 year contract and he'll still be in his prime. Can the same be said about George?

I think the biggest loss in the case of George will just be his leadership-- but you'd hope that Hayward could pick up that slack going into his 8th or 9th year or whatever.

 

[Deleted member 848]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsLtmeopVsM

More Jrue defense. I'd say he's had a better defensive year than George Hill. Imagine him playing with Rudy.

Watch him force *Kawhi* into an air-ball 20 seconds into the clip. That's what Jrue brings us. If he's 15% below the cost of George Hill? Umm.

 

[NAOS]

It's not gonna be close. George Hill will get at-least 15% more unless he falls off a cliff to close out the season/in the playoffs...

Disagree. IIRC, because of NOLA's cap situation, they'll struggle to replace Jrue if they let him walk. They will overpay to keep their own, thereby raising his price across the board.

if this is the case, then you gotta roll with Jrue Holiday.

sorry, bud

 

[NAOS]

And limiting the discussion on injuries to just this year feels almost like cherry picking stats. Jrue has had serious career-threatening injuries. Systemic-type ****. Hill has caught a wild elbow and had a few sprains. These are not the same type of things. Hill has no significant injury history.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

And limiting the discussion on injuries to just this year feels almost like cherry picking stats. Jrue has had serious career-threatening injuries. Systemic-type ****. Hill has caught a wild elbow and had a few sprains. These are not the same type of things. Hill has no significant injury history.

Hill got a medical redshirt his junior year. Not sure what for, but it must have been something significant.

 

[Deleted member 848]

And limiting the discussion on injuries to just this year feels almost like cherry picking stats. Jrue has had serious career-threatening injuries. Systemic-type ****. Hill has caught a wild elbow and had a few sprains. These are not the same type of things. Hill has no significant injury history.

Care to elaborate on the career-threatening, systemic injuries that Jrue has suffered through? I'd enjoy hearing how they are also systemic in nature and how "career-threatening" these injuries are, relative to other athletes who have suffered through the same.