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jazz is at -4.5, blazers at +4.5 in Bovada

Stoked said:
Or they had an anomaly of a road trip (4 hour difference) and sacrificed sleep for an extra day in the sun. Then they flew to Utah instead of Phoenix (dumb). Then extra long practices.
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Or it was just an off night.
Happens sometimes
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
I just watched on TV but it seemed the refs were calling a lot of questionable calls, especially against Rudy that effectively took him out of the game -- even when he was in the game, he had to play tentative because of that. Also, it seemed they had to foul Derrick three times before they called a foul. What's up with that?
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Wait was Rudy matched up against Pau Gasol?
 
Stoked said:
It was an off night for the whole team (except Burks). And why would that be?
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I think it's most likely due to the reasons you mentioned.
But it could have just been an off night for no reason.
I have seen them have off nights even when they never went to hawaii.
(I remember them getting beat by like 45 points to Houston a few years ago)
 
fishonjazz said:
So do you think that hayward, favors, burke, and hood shot at right about their season averages from last year during last nights game?
Or do you maybe agree with stoked that almost all of our core players had an off night shooting?
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I think we are bad shooters who had a worse night than normal, but to act like it's just "fatigue" is ignoring an issue that was present all of last year and has not shown any signs of improving.
 
King Cy said:
I think we are bad shooters who had a worse night than normal, but to act like it's just "fatigue" is ignoring an issue that was present all of last year and has not shown any signs of improving.
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Stoked didn't say we are a great shooting team or that shooting is not a weakness of the jazz.
I think he said that our team shot worse than usual last night.
Seems hard to disagree with but if anyone can do it, it's you
 
fishonjazz said:
I think it's most likely due to the reasons you mentioned.
But it could have just been an off night for no reason.
I have seem them have off nights even when they never went to hawaii.
(I remember them getting beat by like 45 points to Houston a few years ago)
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I'd be more inclined if it was 1 or two guys and not the team. But this is plausible.
 
Stoked said:
I'd be more inclined if it was 1 or two guys and not the team. But this is plausible.
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Ya and like I said, I think your theory is probably right (travel and long practices and fatigue having an effect)
 
fishonjazz said:
Stoked didn't say we are a great shooting team or that shooting is not a weakness of the jazz.
I think he said that our team shot worse than usual last night.
Seems hard to disagree with but if anyone can do it, it's you
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Exactly, he doesn't care what is really being said. I even listed their %s and team % for last season.

They were 19th in the league in % last season, already stated by me, and last night they shot in the low 30s as a team. It wasn't the Portland D...
 
fishonjazz said:
Stoked didn't say we are a great shooting team or that shooting is not a weakness of the jazz.
I think he said that our team shot worse than usual last night.
Seems hard to disagree with but if anyone can do it, it's you
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No, Stoked is acting like it's just fatigue, which is ridiculous. I would blame it on "just being pre-season" before I accepted the BS excuse of fatigue. There is a reason to worry as a Jazz fan.

The offense is still garbage. Players are still largely hesitant to take open shots and pass up looks that take us deep into shot clock/cause turnovers. We still miss FT's. Favors' post game still looks largely mediocre. Favors/Gobert still can't hit FT's at a high enough rate to make our offense efficient.

It's not panicking, it's just observations any non-homer would make of their team. The Jazz purposely didn't spend any $$$ in the off-season for positional upgrades, which many questioned. We would look a lot better if we had gone out and signed a shooting PG and/or wing instead of relying on Neto/Burke/Ingles/Millsap who are largely offensively challenged.

I'm not worried if Hayward/Hood have a bad shooting night. They have proven to be good shooters. Burke still seems at best to be an average open shooter, Ingles still has slow release, and Millsap/Burks are hesitant to shoot a 3 even if they are being given the shot. Neto appears to be on a Rondo level of shooting prowess and Booker hasn't seemed to really improved on his willingness/ability to take and make 3's.

I still think the Jazz make the playoffs, but if you want any hope of the Jazz ever being better than a 6th seed(not just this year, but future years), we need to start seeing some offensive improvement. Thus far, we haven't seen any.
 
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