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of all-time draft busts.

Well, at least according to this list at cbssports.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/story...ts-from-darko-to-weis-and-screwups-in-between

Agree? Disagree?

I'd say the only real busts for the Jazz have been Humphries and Snyder at #14 and #16 in 2004. Before that, you have to go back all the way to '87 and '88 (Ortiz and Leckner) to find picks near that range who were complete wastes. And I guess add Wright in '93 at #18, although, IMO, once you hit the late-teens it's always a crap shoot.

I know we all like to hammer the Jazz FO for poor picks, but every team has its share of wasted drafts. That the Jazz have come up with decent players every time when picking in the lottery - save Humphries - is actually a pretty good track record.

Also wondering everyone's opinion on who are the most likely busts out of the players projected to go in the lottery on Thursday.
 
Can Humphries be considered a bust with how good he is doing in the NBA? I'm sure he is a better player than 75% of the draft class.
 
Looking at the comments, this message stood out.

"Oriolesrock June 27, 2012 9:35 pmI know it''s ancient history, but what about when the Washington Bullets, in need of a power forward, took Kenny Green out of Wake Forest with the 10th overall pick (estimated year--I may be off by a year or so) of the 1984 (again, slightly estimated) draft? What made this pick especially horrible is that with the next pick was Karl Malone to the Utah Jazz."

So would anybody REALLY think any Jazz pick would be on this list?
 
Utah hasn't really had many lotto picks to bust with. We've only had like, 7 or so top ten picks in franchise history.

Also, am I like-- the only guy who doesn't consider Oden a bust? I mean, my definition of 'bust' is being drafted high and performing like garbage. Oden was a pretty good player, he just had really bad luck with injuries. Injuries negate the bust label, in my opinion. I hate seeing him in so many lists.
 
Xsy said:
Utah hasn't really had many lotto picks to bust with. We've only had like, 7 or so top ten picks in franchise history.

Also, am I like-- the only guy who doesn't consider Oden a bust? I mean, my definition of 'bust' is being drafted high and performing like garbage. Oden was a pretty good player, he just had really bad luck with injuries. Injuries negate the bust label, in my opinion. I hate seeing him in so many lists.
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I agree.
 
Xsy said:
Utah hasn't really had many lotto picks to bust with. We've only had like, 7 or so top ten picks in franchise history.

Also, am I like-- the only guy who doesn't consider Oden a bust? I mean, my definition of 'bust' is being drafted high and performing like garbage. Oden was a pretty good player, he just had really bad luck with injuries. Injuries negate the bust label, in my opinion. I hate seeing him in so many lists.
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I agree with you too, but since they brought up Oden, wny isn't there JaY Williams on the list they have? He got into a (car?) accident and hasn't been able to make it back into the league. Wasn't he a #1 or 2 pick a number of years ago?
 
Kyoto said:
I agree with you too, but since they brought up Oden, wny isn't there JaY Williams on the list they have? He got into a (car?) accident and hasn't been able to make it back into the league. Wasn't he a #1 or 2 pick a number of years ago?
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Motorcycle I think
 
Xsy said:
Utah hasn't really had many lotto picks to bust with. We've only had like, 7 or so top ten picks in franchise history.

Also, am I like-- the only guy who doesn't consider Oden a bust? I mean, my definition of 'bust' is being drafted high and performing like garbage. Oden was a pretty good player, he just had really bad luck with injuries. Injuries negate the bust label, in my opinion. I hate seeing him in so many lists.
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He did not live up to the expectations of a #1 pick. Regardless of the reason. So to most people (me included) he was a major bust. It does not help his case that the guy picked right after him is one of the 2 best players in the league right now.

If you use injuries as an excuse I am sure there are other players that were "busts" because of them. Wasn't Sam Bowie hurt most of his career? Is that a good enough excuse for him?

Looking at that list I would change him places with the guy behind him. Other than that I think Oden is right where he belongs.
 
GlassEater said:
Well, he was a bust for Utah. Took him 5 years to grow up.
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He was nineteen when the Jazz drafted him. He got in Sloan's doghouse and never could get out. Humphries is a decent PF so the Jazz missed but he still isn't a bust. Same goes for D-Steve, he was too young but he was a serviceable player.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Can Humphries be considered a bust with how good he is doing in the NBA? I'm sure he is a better player than 75% of the draft class.
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I don't think that he is a bust. If you can command at least one contract in your career making over $10 million a year then you are not a bust at all.
 
yeah, missing on a 14 or 16th pick isn't as big a deal as drafting kwame brown first overall and watching him suck hind teat for the next 10 years on 6-7 different teams.

the jazz have, more often than not, gotten their lottery picks right. darrell griffith, deron williams, gordon hayward. to early to tell on kanter or burks, but they show positive signs too. draft mistakes when you're in the "sure thing" range are a lot less forgivable than draft mistakes in the crap shoot range.
 
Xsy said:
Utah hasn't really had many lotto picks to bust with. We've only had like, 7 or so top ten picks in franchise history.

Also, am I like-- the only guy who doesn't consider Oden a bust? I mean, my definition of 'bust' is being drafted high and performing like garbage. Oden was a pretty good player, he just had really bad luck with injuries. Injuries negate the bust label, in my opinion. I hate seeing him in so many lists.
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I agree with you re: Oden.

By that same logic, can we then excuse the Jazz for drafting Borchardt? :)
 
cowhide said:
He was nineteen when the Jazz drafted him. He got in Sloan's doghouse and never could get out. Humphries is a decent PF so the Jazz missed but he still isn't a bust. Same goes for D-Steve, he was too young but he was a serviceable player.
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I think it took getting traded and nearly run out of the league for Humphries to wake up and realize he needed to WORK at his profession, not just slide by on "potential." Before Snyder's mental demise, he sounded like he had learned his lesson as well. Unfortunately, no one knew he had "Luther Wright" syndrome. Very sad that his life spiraled out of control.
 
Oden is a bust with busted knees. Also I think being a bust you have to factor in who was drafted immediately after you. A top 5 player was drafted after Oden, making Oden an even bigger bust.
 
Oddly though two of the busts listed did play for Utah 10. Todd Fuller and 14. Rafael Araujo. If you trade for a bust, isn't that worse than drafting a bust?
 
Jeffrey32 said:
Oddly though two of the busts listed did play for Utah 10. Todd Fuller and 14. Rafael Araujo. If you trade for a bust, isn't that worse than drafting a bust?
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Not when you don't give anything up. Jazz traded an non-productive Humphries who wasn't going to play behind Millsap and Boozer on the off chance Araujo could resurrect his game by returning to Utah. It was worth a risk. I'm can't remember what we gave up for the Fuller Brush man. I'll bet it wasn't anything more than scrubs and a 2nd-rounder.
 
GlassEater said:
I agree with you re: Oden.

By that same logic, can we then excuse the Jazz for drafting Borchardt? :)
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the difference is that oden was a #1 overall, borch was #18. when a projected lottery pick falls to 18, at some point the risk/reward calculation says you should go for it. that's why i think history forgives that type of decision. (for the record, i hated the borch pick on draft day, but the guy i wanted instead was qyntel woods... so it's not like i would have nailed that pick, either.)

on the other hand, when you own the #1 overall pick and your doctors say "don't draft oden" and you do anyway, which the #2 overall pick goes on to become one of the top 3 players on the planet, history HAS to remember that.
 
GlassEater said:
Not when you don't give anything up. Jazz traded an non-productive Humphries who wasn't going to play behind Millsap and Boozer on the off chance Araujo could resurrect his game by returning to Utah. It was worth a risk. I'm can't remember what we gave up for the Fuller Brush man. I'll bet it wasn't anything more than scrubs and a 2nd-rounder.
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jazz traded a 2nd round pick to GS for fuller. chris porter was the guy selected with that pick. no loss.
 
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