Jazz Offseason Plan
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LoPo
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Teams don't win titles built around defensive centers who have little offensive ability. This is a known fact Cy. The fact you are arguing with me over this just shows you will argue with me about anything.
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LoPo
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Conley and Rudy were good for each other on the offensive end. They work well together.
If Conley leaves though, Rudy loses that and becomes less effective. That's the whole thought process I'm using about trading Rudy if Conley leaves.
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I get what you're saying. I just don't think Rudy is going to return as much value necessary to offset his loss. It's not that hard to get good defenders for cheap.
I think this past year the Jazz tried to optimize offense in a big way and it worked. The good news is that Donovan has actually become a pretty efficient volume scorer, and hopefully will continue to improve. I think we can sacrifice offense around him (one of Clarkson/Bogey) to optimize the defense a bit more now with his offensive development.
Ok, teams dont win titles built around 6'1 scoring guards either....
Like I said, if your logic is to take the most historically successful build models, the Jazz are ****ed either way and should just trade everything to tank and be in line to draft the super talented 6'8+ types who are basically only available at the top of drafts.
That isnt feasible though unless you want to go Sixers Process style, which I personally don't want to do. You build around what you have.
And the Jazz could have easily won the championship this year if it wasnt for a hamstring injury to Conley and an ankle injury to Mitchell. Your critique is pretty hollow in my eyes when the Jazz put together a great roster capable of winning it all. The Jazz need to improve their moves on the margins to increase Quin's ability to make playoff adjustments and keep guys healthy through some kind of load management system. They don't need huge sweeping changes.
LoPo
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If Conley stays, I agree with Cy 100% on this one. Use Bojan or Clarkson to address our weak perimeter defense then run it back. Hopefully we get a useful player out of the draft too.
NAOS
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Shoutout to also needing to cover for Conley’s prolonged absences as well.
LoPo
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I used to agree with your assessment here and make the exact same argument when we had Deron. Small guys don't take teams to titles. But I think that narrative has changed a little bit. Since Isiah, Curry has been successful. Kyrie was a major part of a title. Billups was key for Detroit. Tony Parker for San Antonio. Chris Paul is currently leading the Suns pretty well. We could argue all day about Don vs those guys, but without a doubt Don is a better player than any of them through the first 4 years of their careers (CP3 vs Don would be a fun debate).
The big man thing is just a fact. Defensive minded centers with limited offensive abilities don't lead teams to titles. Just doesn't happen. We might have to go back to the days of Bill Russell to see a team win a title with a defensive center who was a top 1, 2 or 3 option on the team. All of the guys like Mutombo, Dwight, Eaton and defensive specialist limited offense guys. Now if Rudy were to take more of a Ben Wallace role, we might have a chance. Just seems that Rudy wants to be more involved and he's definitely better compensated. And Ben Wallace was an absolute unicorn freak.
We can win a title with Rudy getting paid like he is, but we need another good perimeter defender and 100% health. And maybe some 2021 Suns' style luck too.
Yeah, only one of the dudes is a small scoring guard (Curry) and he only won 1 before getting Durant. It's the same **** you parrot. It's an extremely small sample of teams winning with their leading scorer being a 6'1 scoring guard.
LoPo
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Parrot? Man, I try to be kind with you, but that chip on your shoulder is massive. Relax buddy.
Look at the NBA right now. Here are the guys who lead their teams and they are the most realistic title contenders when their teams are healthy.
Giannis
Durant
Curry *
Dame *
Don *
Paul *
Trae *
Doncic
LeBron
Jokic
Kawhi
Embiid
Can you think of any other time in the history of the NBA when you could say that almost half of the contenders in the NBA are led by guards under 6'2"? The NBA has changed. Size is important, but not as crucial as in the past especially when it comes to a team's best player.
Now go look at all of those teams and tell me who pays their center more than $15 million a year:
Jokic (superstar)
Embiid (superstar)
Rudy
Capella (only $17)
Porzingis (overpaid and holding Doncic back)
And my point still stands - teams don't win titles built when their defensive center is one of the most important players on both sides of the court. We could change that narrative, but we need a **** ton of luck and health.