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Saint Cy of JFC said:
I do think it's weird that Lopo is on the NOLA side of the trade though since he fetishizes draft potential and pushing the day of reckoning back as far as possible.
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Handlogten's Heros said:
It’s why I said if we did it he’d be spitting fire. We did a much more sound version of this deal and he still talks with his therapist weekly about how dumb the Conley deal was. NO can only dream of this deal working out so well.
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My stance is pretty consistent.

#1 - I don't like trading guys who fit the culture and make up of the team. I didn't want to trade Crowder. JV was an excellent fit in Memphis for what he does and his contract. Boston lost an edge when they replaced Rozier with Kemba. Etc.

#2 - I don't like overpaying vets unless they are filling clear voids. Adams and Bledsoe don't fill any voids on the Memphis roster. Adams actually hindered Zion's ability to dominate so why does Memphis want to pay him more than the better fit JV and longer?

#3 - The draft is a crapshoot. I almost always would rather go with a proven commodity than a draft pick. Almost every champion now trades picks to fill out already good rosters. The Bucks used picks to get Jrue. The Lakers used picks for AD. GS used picks to build their monster. Cleveland used picks to build their team. Etc. Sure you can draft gold, but building a team completely from the draft, which Memphis seems to be trying to do, won't happen. Too much riding on #10.


I hated the Conley trade because we gave us good fit players AND picks AND all our cap space for a guy who I didn't think brought out the best in Donovan Mitchell. Neither of these trades is similar to our Conley deal.
 
LoPo said:
My stance is pretty consistent.

#1 - I don't like trading guys who fit the culture and make up of the team. I didn't want to trade Crowder. JV was an excellent fit in Memphis for what he does and his contract. Boston lost an edge when they replaced Rozier with Kemba. Etc.

#2 - I don't like overpaying vets unless they are filling clear voids. Adams and Bledsoe don't fill any voids on the Memphis roster. Adams actually hindered Zion's ability to dominate so why does Memphis want to pay him more than the better fit JV and longer?

#3 - The draft is a crapshoot. I almost always would rather go with a proven commodity than a draft pick. Almost every champion now trades picks to fill out already good rosters. The Bucks used picks to get Jrue. The Lakers used picks for AD. GS used picks to build their monster. Cleveland used picks to build their team. Etc. Sure you can draft gold, but building a team completely from the draft, which Memphis seems to be trying to do, won't happen. Too much riding on #10.


I hated the Conley trade because we gave us good fit players AND picks AND all our cap space for a guy who I didn't think brought out the best in Donovan Mitchell. Neither of these trades is similar to our Conley deal.
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I guess you have to be able to look more than one move into the future. Obvi.
 
Ineptimusprime said:
No, I just open this thread to read about Jazz offseason stuff. Fine — you can talk about whatever you want. It’s just my pet ****ing peeve when threads veer wildly off-topic.

I tried to post the link, but it isn’t working. It’s Jake Fischer’s bleacher report piece this morning. Here’s the link to the Tweet.

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I wonder what the market is for SGA. I’m guessing he isn’t really available.... and, if he is, we don’t have the assets to get him anyway. Obviously an interesting pairing with DM, doe.
 
It sounds as though Mike coming back is a done deal... listened to the Windhorst pod (I have a hard time with him but he has good guests). He and Pelton said something about Conley and were like "it looks pretty good for his return to utah... then Brian said I'm going to stop short of saying... " and then he trailed off. He is really weird about saying stuff because he doesn't want to get aggregated.

So I think it is safe to plan around Mike returning... heard enough stuff there to think Mike has poked around his market and Jazz have communicated their willingness and they likely already have a rough structure agreed upon... there is a ton of assumption in there I know but let's be honest... it ain't like the first calls teams make are the minute after FA opens.
 
LoPo said:
My stance is pretty consistent.

#1 - I don't like trading guys who fit the culture and make up of the team. I didn't want to trade Crowder. JV was an excellent fit in Memphis for what he does and his contract. Boston lost an edge when they replaced Rozier with Kemba. Etc.

#2 - I don't like overpaying vets unless they are filling clear voids. Adams and Bledsoe don't fill any voids on the Memphis roster. Adams actually hindered Zion's ability to dominate so why does Memphis want to pay him more than the better fit JV and longer?

#3 - The draft is a crapshoot. I almost always would rather go with a proven commodity than a draft pick. Almost every champion now trades picks to fill out already good rosters. The Bucks used picks to get Jrue. The Lakers used picks for AD. GS used picks to build their monster. Cleveland used picks to build their team. Etc. Sure you can draft gold, but building a team completely from the draft, which Memphis seems to be trying to do, won't happen. Too much riding on #10.


I hated the Conley trade because we gave us good fit players AND picks AND all our cap space for a guy who I didn't think brought out the best in Donovan Mitchell. Neither of these trades is similar to our Conley deal.
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I mean lets just talk about #3... how did GS become a monster? By using picks? Nah homey... they used picks to DRAFT Steph, Klay, Draymond, Barnes... they only traded picks later. Lakers used guys they drafted and picks to get AD... that team was built in FA when they landed Lebron... the biggiest move the Bucks made was DRAFTING Giannis... I mean they could have traded that pick to shortcut the rebuild around Jabari Parker but they placed it on a lotto ticket.

Memphis may miss but their process is sound... they might only hit on a Mikal Bridges type level player with the pick this year but they can then pivot and trade that guy with the other draft capital and expiring contracts they have for a big asset if they want. Small market teams like Memphis don't build through FA... they build through trades and the draft... their move was consistent with their strategy.

Can't wait for NO to use their space on helping Lowry get paid by some other market and settling for Norm Powell or Spencer Dinwiddie when they could have just kept Ball and Hart and then moved Bledsoe and the draft capital they gave up to get another guy or guys of that same talent pool. I'm positive Griffin will nail this and it will help them build for 2-5 years down the road when Zion and Ingram are ready.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I mean lets just talk about #3... how did GS become a monster? By using picks? Nah homey... they used picks to DRAFT Steph, Klay, Draymond, Barnes... they only traded picks later. Lakers used guys they drafted and picks to get AD... that team was built in FA when they landed Lebron... the biggiest move the Bucks made was DRAFTING Giannis... I mean they could have traded that pick to shortcut the rebuild around Jabari Parker but they placed it on a lotto ticket.

Memphis may miss but their process is sound... they might only hit on a Mikal Bridges type level player with the pick this year but they can then pivot and trade that guy with the other draft capital and expiring contracts they have for a big asset if they want. Small market teams like Memphis don't build through FA... they build through trades and the draft... their move was consistent with their strategy.

Can't wait for NO to use their space on helping Lowry get paid by some other market and settling for Norm Powell or Spencer Dinwiddie when they could have just kept Ball and Hart and then moved Bledsoe and the draft capital they gave up to get another guy or guys of that same talent pool. I'm positive Griffin will nail this and it will help them build for 2-5 years down the road when Zion and Ingram are ready.
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Outside of a massive free agent pickup, you gotta get lucky with the draft then trade picks to fill the gaps.

It's how it's done. Jrue, Iggy, AD, Love, etc etc etc. It's what we tried by adding Conley.

Memphis has to do really well with #10 or they lost the trade badly. Just do the math man.

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Yeah at this point my prediction is this.

-Jazz trade Derrick and the 30th pick to get rid of his salary
-Jazz trade Joe or Bogey for a player and a pick(maybe in this draft)
Both of the above moves to trim luxury tax
-Jazz re-sign Mike, use their MLE, and sign a vet minimum player
-Jazz re-sign Hughes and Forrest
 
LoPo said:
Outside of a massive free agent pickup, you gotta get lucky with the draft then trade picks to fill the gaps.

It's how it's done. Jrue, Iggy, AD, Love, etc etc etc. It's what we tried by adding Conley.

Memphis has to do really well with #10 or they lost the trade badly. Just do the math man.

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I've done the math... they have a MUCH better chance at #10 than #17. They acquired additional draft capital to make the trade to fill the gaps. They have a bunch of NBA players on their roster so filling depth with cap space isn't an issue. The last great FA memphis signed was who? Parsons? Kyle Anderson was solid.. they can still shop for that level of guy with MLE if they want. They can also match any big contract in trade and add additional young players and draft capital. Even is #10 is mediocre they will end up just fine. They can still have enormous cap space next year if they want to go that route. Ask Dallas how great their cap space strategy has worked out over the years.

NO traded draft capital, Ball, and Hart for a mystery bag of FA and an upgrade of Adams to JV... Between Ingram, Zion, and JV they gonna allow 120 pts per game... so I'm not convinced JV hitting one three a game more will make a monumental difference.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I've done the math... they have a MUCH better chance at #10 than #17. They acquired additional draft capital to make the trade to fill the gaps. They have a bunch of NBA players on their roster so filling depth with cap space isn't an issue. The last great FA memphis signed was who? Parsons? Kyle Anderson was solid.. they can still shop for that level of guy with MLE if they want. They can also match any big contract in trade and add additional young players and draft capital. Even is #10 is mediocre they will end up just fine. They can still have enormous cap space next year if they want to go that route. Ask Dallas how great their cap space strategy has worked out over the years.

NO traded draft capital, Ball, and Hart for a mystery bag of FA and an upgrade of Adams to JV... Between Ingram, Zion, and JV they gonna allow 120 pts per game... so I'm not convinced JV hitting one three a game more will make a monumental difference.
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It all depends on what happens next. Who does Memphis draft? What does NOLA do with the cap room along with their future picks?

If it was me, I would have used future picks and the cap room to target a big acquisition if I was Memphis. I wouldn't have left it to the draft. Like you said, they are stocked with solid talent throughout the roster. They had solid expiring players like JV and Anderson. They have an extra 1st in 2022 and another extra 1st in 2024.

New Orleans traded 2 contracts nobody wanted and the worst 1st in their arsenal to slide back 7 spots.
 
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