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Ineptimusprime said:
No, I give ‘em credit for taking a risk and trying something new.







The reality is, we struggled against top teams at full strength
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Isn't trading for Mike conley trying something new? How often have we traded for players of his caliber? Do you give us credit for trying that or only other teams?

The reality is that we were literally the number 1 team in the league against the top 10 teams in the league this past season.

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fishonjazz said:
Isn't trading for Mike conley trying something new? How often have we traded for players of his caliber? Do you give us credit for trying that or only other teams?

The reality is that we were literally the number 1 team in the league against the top 10 teams in the league this past season.

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That was now multiple offseasons ago, but I’ve not criticized the Conley deal. I hope he stays, but even if he doesn’t, we still won that trade unless the Grizzlies pick next year turns into an All-Star.

It really wasn’t much of a risk. We got an All-Star level player for two late firsts and a couple rotation level players. Even if he leaves, the downside risk wasn’t that great at the time and isn’t much now. We’ll just pivot and move things around and still be a non-contending playoff team. If he stays, we might contend if we can surround him, Don, and Rudy with the right dudes.

It was a pretty safe trade because we likely didn’t give up much of anything of actual value.

I don’t see a Bogey, Ingles, or Clarkson trade being that risky of a move either, because I don’t think moving any one of those guys individually is going to impact winning much (especially Bogey) if we return the Don/Rudy/Mike core.
 
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I like how people say we wouldn’t make the playoffs without Rudy like that is such a bonafide fact.

Our entire defensive scheme revolves around funneling players to Rudy. We wouldn’t keep the same scheme lmao. If you replaced Rudy with say a Capela or Turner and we had Tucker and Crowder or players like that we’d be a title contender.

Dame
Mitchell
Crowder
Tucker
Capela

Royce and Ingles off the bench.

Explain to me how that wouldn’t work.
 
White Chocolate said:
I like how people say we wouldn’t make the playoffs without Rudy like that is such a bonafide fact.

Our entire defensive scheme revolves around funneling players to Rudy. We wouldn’t keep the same scheme lmao. If you replaced Rudy with say a Capela or Turner and we had Tucker and Crowder or players like that we’d be a title contender.

Dame
Mitchell
Crowder
Tucker
Capela

Royce and Ingles off the bench.

Explain to me how that wouldn’t work lol.
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WTF.......why would we stop there? Let's add Kawhi, KD, and Jimmy Butler.
 
Hearsky said:
WTF.......why would we stop there? Let's add Kawhi, KD, and Jimmy Butler.
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I’m not saying it’s realistic I am just saying you replace Rudy with someone like Capela or Turner and get wing defenders in his place and we’d be fine.
 
White Chocolate said:
I like how people say we wouldn’t make the playoffs without Rudy like that is such a bonafide fact.

Our entire defensive scheme revolves around funneling players to Rudy. We wouldn’t keep the same scheme lmao. If you replaced Rudy with say a Capela or Turner and we had Tucker and Crowder or players like that we’d be a title contender.

Dame
Mitchell
Crowder
Tucker
Capela

Royce and Ingles off the bench.

Explain to me how that wouldn’t work lol.
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You’d have to get good defensive players at multiple positions back in the trade (or otherwise added to roster) to make it work.

Moving Rudy for a high salary, offense first player and keeping the rest of the current roster largely intact would be an outright disaster. You’d have to rework the whole roster to move Rudy and it not make us awful.

Instead, imagine how good Rudy would look on defense with some competent defenders in the rotation. That better positions us for playoff success next year, and also goes partway towards restructuring the roster and preparing for the post-Rudy roster if we move him in the future.

This is not popular, but I’d actually bring back Georges as insurance for his cheap elite 3 pt shooting (he is a cheap piece with an elite skill that helps with roster versatility) and move at least one of Ingles or Bojan (the more expensive guys with useful offensive skills and trade value but limited athleticism) or Clarkson for starting caliber perimeter defense. I may move two of them if I strike out in signing a rotation level perimeter defender/small ball center with the mini-MLE.

Then you add your Torrey Craigs and a new batch of developmental guys that fit the 3&D archetype and hope you hit for injury insurance.
 
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White Chocolate said:
I’m not saying it’s realistic I am just saying you replace Rudy with someone like Capela or Turner and get wing defenders in his place and we’d be fine.
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No way you are getting DL without Rudy and every other asset. You aren't getting DL and Capella/Turner with what we can offer.
 
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