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♪alt13 said:
The mistakes in downtown SLC happened way before City Creek. Was the church responsible for some of them? Yes, but there wasn't much they could do about that in 2010 other than try again. Yeah they provided some views for their temple so ****in what. They also put a 385' condo tower across the street from the temple, another 220' residential building fronting Regent street, and have plans for a third on 100 south. They reduced the number of retail stores within the malls and opened them up to property to the south that they don't own. It has spurred development in a downtown that was on life support before they started. It's been nice to finally have a downtown that isn't completely dominated by for lease signs. I was super skeptical when they announced plans to redevelop and I'm not an LDS fanboy by any stretch but I'll give them their due when they earn it. In this instance they have earned it.
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I'd argue that they (and by this I mean something like 'a coterie of LDS developers as well as church officials', working in some kind of cahoots) were a primary force in pushing downtown SLC onto life support in the first place (but not before taxpayers paid for trax thru main street, of course). Better to depress prices and hope before you pay for your own (undemocratic) vision (cf. the earlier Main Street heist).

I'm most familiar with the changes from the late 90s through mid-00s (while I lived in DT SLC); and based on what I saw and heard, I'm refusing to give the church and the associated business interests any claps. And I think City Creek is tacky in multiple ways.
 
NAOS said:
I'd argue that they (and by this I mean something like 'a coterie of LDS developers as well as church officials', working in some kind of cahoots) were a primary force in pushing downtown SLC onto life support in the first place (but not before taxpayers paid for trax thru main street, of course). Better to depress prices and hope before you pay for your own (undemocratic) vision (cf. the earlier Main Street heist).

I'm most familiar with the changes from the late 90s through mid-00s (while I lived in DT SLC); and based on what I saw and heard, I'm refusing to give the church and the associated business interests any claps. And I think City Creek is tacky in multiple ways.
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I think it was pretty cool of the Church to lease the land under Abravanel Hall and the some of the convention center to the county for $1 a year and lock in the price for the county in 1984 if the county ever wanted to buy it. The county just used that generous clause to purchase the property for a 6th of its current value.

That doesn't really fit your narrative well. Srsly can you give a single example that would support your conspiracy theory or is this just blind hatred for the church.
 
♪alt13 said:
I think it was pretty cool of the Church to lease the land under Abravanel Hall and the some of the convention center to the county for $1 a year and lock in the price for the county in 1984 if the county ever wanted to buy it. The county just used that generous clause to purchase the property for a 6th of its current value.

That doesn't really fit your narrative well. Srsly can you give a single example that would support your conspiracy theory or is this just blind hatred for the church.
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it's not blind hatred. I think the temple is beautiful (and I'm directly descended from one of the masons who was brought over to help build it, so there's personal interest, too). It's fine that it's showcased; it's easily the most interesting building downtown. That doesn't mean that mall views aren't tacky and weird.

Gateway never should have happened. The arguments are too old for me to remember in detail, so you'll blame me of conspiracy-theory-level dross. The fact that it's struggling now was foreseeable so long ago. But at least it drained life from Main Street long enough for the prices to plummet (even though it had been given a ton of development dollars through trax, etc.)
 
I have only been to city creek a couple times. I thought it was pretty damn cool. Love the river running through it and all the open outdoor areas. The waterfall is really cool. The walkway going over the main road is neat.

Too pricey for me to actually shop but I thought it was fun to walk around in.
 
Do people really care about arenas that much? Would an arena that is top of the line convince you to go to more games vs an average arena?



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Maybe they should install a retractable roof. Basketball in a snowstorm while the jumbotron and other electronics short circuit might be interesting... once.
 
NAOS said:
it's not blind hatred. I think the temple is beautiful (and I'm directly descended from one of the masons who was brought over to help build it, so there's personal interest, too). It's fine that it's showcased; it's easily the most interesting building downtown. That doesn't mean that mall views aren't tacky and weird.

Gateway never should have happened. The arguments are too old for me to remember in detail, so you'll blame me of conspiracy-theory-level dross. The fact that it's struggling now was foreseeable so long ago. But at least it drained life from Main Street long enough for the prices to plummet (even though it had been given a ton of development dollars through trax, etc.)
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I agree about the Gateway but I don't know of any big acquisitions on Main since the Gateway opened. IIRC the church already owned both ZCMI and Crossroads. Most of the property was in the same hands when gateway opened as when city creek opened. The biggest change that I can think of was the new federal courthouse. Other acquisitions haven't been by Mormons. Some Iranian millionaire dude owns Trolley square now.
 
♪alt13 said:
I agree about the Gateway but I don't know of any big acquisitions on Main since the Gateway opened. IIRC the church already owned both ZCMI and Crossroads. Most of the property was in the same hands when gateway opened as when city creek opened. The biggest change that I can think of was the new federal courthouse. Other acquisitions haven't been by Mormons. Some Iranian millionaire dude owns Trolley square now.
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Most of this last round has happened long after I moved away; and I honestly haven't paid much attention. From a distance, it looked like everything was happening according to the fate that was set in motion when the Gateway project got approved. I could be totally wrong, but I remember stories about acquisitions. Anywhoo...
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Maybe they should install a retractable roof. Basketball in a snowstorm while the jumbotron and other electronics short circuit might be interesting... once.
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Could be the key to beating Golden State. So you like shooting 3's? Try shooting them with wind!
 
King Cy said:
Do people really care about arenas that much? Would an arena that is top of the line convince you to go to more games vs an average arena?



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Not me. Cheap tickets does though
 
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