Jazz trade Devin Harris to Atlanta for Marvin Williams (merged)

[The Midnight]

I understand what you are saying. Why give up Al for nothing? Hold onto the asset until his contract is up, or someone offers us something we want.
The problem I see is Corbin. I don't trust him to manage the bigs minutes for the max potential with Big Al on the roster. He'll never bench Big Al, and start Sap.
Honestly, I feel like that would be the best basketball decision for the team. Have Big Al come off the bench, and be the focus with the back ups.

When Big Al is in the game I feel like he hurts the other players around him. When he is mainly playing with starters that is a problem.
It's a tough issue. You don't want to give up his stats, or his value. If you keep him he is taking away from the development of other players, and maybe hurting team chemistry.

I hear what you're saying.

But I heard someone mention it in one of these threads (there are so many today!) that we could actually do quite well now that we have some 3pt shooters around Jefferson.

Basically we can now dare perimeter defenders to double Al - which should lead to a 3pt from either Marvin or Mo or Hayward (evenly spaced around the perimeter). Or if they don't double Al, then he can go 1 on 1 and he'd score over most centers in the league (using his quick footwork, etc).

Who do we keep? Jefferson or Millsap? Let the audition begin.....

 

[Revolution 9]

we could actually do quite well now that we have some 3pt shooters around Jefferson.

Agreed, if our shooting improves it will only help Jefferson, and us. I just don't know if it's enough. He'll still be a black hole, and we both know it.
I guess if we stick with him I'll go into the season hoping for the best, but expecting the Al.

 

[The Midnight]

Agreed, if our shooting improves it will only help Jefferson, and us. I just don't know if it's enough. He'll still be a black hole, and we both know it.
I guess if we stick with him I'll go into the season hoping for the best, but expecting the Al.

I think at the end of the day it comes down to KOC's comfort level with Kanter as our 3rd big.

I have a feeling it'll take 1 more year for Kanter to mature and then KOC will decide at the trade deadline whether to let Millsap or Jefferson go.

Then it becomes a contest between Jefferson VS Millsap - as in who's in our long term plan and who to let go at the deadline next year.

 

[Qman]

I think at the end of the day it comes down to KOC's comfort level with Kanter as our 3rd big.

I have a feeling it'll take 1 more year for Kanter to mature and then KOC will decide at the trade deadline whether to let Millsap or Jefferson go.

Then it becomes a contest between Jefferson VS Millsap - as in who's in our long term plan and who to let go at the deadline next year.

Hopefully summer league can build up Kanter's confidence up to the point that he can make some real progress.

 

[squareinthecircle]

I always liked Marvin Williams, and glad Mo is back too. Good things a happening - Go KOC!

 

[Harambe]

Reported on 1280 Marvin Williams for Devin Harris. Both are expiring and Marvin gives us a 3. I say hell yea

Career stats: 11.5 ppg, 5.3 rebounds, 32.9% 3pt(38.9% last year)

Not so bad. We can make this work.

 

[Fishsticks]

Toughness? One his profiles defines his defensive style, though solid, as passive.

I wonder though if proper coaching and being on a goal oriented team with a ton of structure will tap into his potential. Nobody wants to be labeled a bust. I think we will be very excited about Marvin's future with us this time next year.

 

[NAOS]

I said this in some thread just after the trade went down, but here it is again.
Marvin stands to improve if he can be disciplined by a system that simply prevents him from taking jump shots in the first 10 seconds of the shot clock. He needs to shoot the three when open, but otherwise he needs to be much more focused on taking the ball to the rim. He's too athletic and strong to do otherwise. Atlanta's JACK IT philosophy is opposite this.

I'm not going to naively expect him to improve a lot. But I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for him to have a 13pt average and slightly better 2-pt shooting percentage.

 

[default]

I'm basically expecting Marvin to be like a "HEALTHY" Josh Howard. We never had a healthy Josh Howard. Good size, decent defense, can hit an open shot, above average mobility, can occasionally create his own shot, acceptable passer, ability to rebound. I would expect he should be able to get similar or barely better numbers to what he's gotten in Atlanta, but in slightly less minutes, due to being on a deeper team with a solid system.

 

[r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t]

The problem is, Al makes too much money to be traded right now.

Here is the list of players that made more than Jefferson last season:

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Rashard Lewis (traded)
3. Tim Duncan
4. Kevin Garnett
5. Gilbert Arenas (traded)
6. Dirk Nowitzki
7. Pau Gasol (traded)
8. Carmelo Anthony
9. Amare Stoudemire
10. Joe Johnson (traded)
11. Dwight Howard (traded?)
12. Elton Brand
13. Deron Williams (traded)
14. Chris Paul (traded twice)
15. LeBron James
16. Chris Bosh (was on the trade block)
17. Dwyane Wade
18. Paul Pierce
19. Andrew Bynum (is on the trade block?)
20. Antawn Jamison
21. Rudy Gay
22. Brandon Roy
23. Chauncey Billups

 

[Stifle Tower]

Williams: 45% shooter for career, 43.2% last year, 32.9% from the arc career, 38.9% from the arc last year, 1.3 assists in 30.4 minutes per game career
CJ Miles: 41.9% shooting career, 38.1% last year, 32.9% from the arc career, 30.7% from the arc last year, 1.3 assists in 19.3 minutes per game for his career

This isn't to prove anything, just sort of to look at their stats. Williams is obviously a better rebounder and probably an equal defender at worst. His shooting numbers are better as well. However, his assists numbers are a big concern to me. He makes Big Al look like Stockton here. And while I know Atlanta ran a ton of iso stuff, it's still very disconcerting and I can't help but think a player isn't going to just flip the switch on all of a sudden into a seven year career.

Hard to be a passer when you know once you give up the ball, you'll never see it again. Willaims is in for a surprise once he sees that running back cuts to the basket will actually result in a pass inside and an easy bucket.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I'm basically expecting Marvin to be like a "HEALTHY" Josh Howard. We never had a healthy Josh Howard. Good size, decent defense, can hit an open shot, above average mobility, can occasionally create his own shot, acceptable passer, ability to rebound. I would expect he should be able to get similar or barely better numbers to what he's gotten in Atlanta, but in slightly less minutes, due to being on a deeper team with a solid system.

If he can be Howard minus the god awful shot selection I will be happy. I thought Howard was actually pretty good last year when he didn't shoot it every time he touched it.