This is the same KOC who also thought Raja Bell would give us Bruce Bowen-type years. This is also the same KOC who kept Miles around for too long. So we'll see if he is right on Marv. Cant assume that he has got this down right. It is still a gamble, albeit a slightly less expensive one.
Jazz trade Devin Harris to Atlanta for Marvin Williams (merged)
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This is the same KOC who also thought Raja Bell would give us Bruce Bowen-type years. This is also the same KOC who kept Miles around for too long. So we'll see if he is right on Marv. Cant assume that he has got this down right. It is still a gamble, albeit a slightly less expensive one.
Lion's Roar
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Cap space is not going to be to sign FA's. The cap space will be to add a few draft picks if possible while preserving the most of it to sign the young kids. To add a few draft picks the Jazz need cap space to take back a bad contract or two. For that you don't need $32M in cap space. Besides the true need for cap space is in two years time and not next year so Marvin's contract expires just in time.
Last night I remembered that Marvin adds a new wrinkle to the Jazz defensive sets. Atlanta used to shift assignments on every screen a lot didn't they? With long athletic players all over the board the Jazz may consider that as well. May not be something they use all the time but it's nice to have that extra asset on the defensive end of the floor.
Last night I remembered that Marvin adds a new wrinkle to the Jazz defensive sets. Atlanta used to shift assignments on every screen a lot didn't they? With long athletic players all over the board the Jazz may consider that as well. May not be something they use all the time but it's nice to have that extra asset on the defensive end of the floor.
When Harpring first arrived, IIRC, he was in the "180" club (180 < sum of FG%, 3P%, and FT%). Is Marvin Willimas better than that?
carolinajazz
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...well, one things for sure, or actually two things: he's going to get more touches and get more shots with our system than he got with the Hawks!
Karadrys30
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To be honest I dont know that much about Williams. Sorry the Hawks game was not interesting to me (too many chuckers). I just remember that harpring was not highly valued until he came to utah. He fit well with the system and the players they had at the time. I dont know if Marv has the motor that harp came in with. If he does he would make a solid starter or exceptional man off the bench.
Stifle Tower
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That would be a pretty elite club. You'd need 90% FT's, 50% FG's and 40% 3-PT FG's. Not too many players hit 50% of their FG's outside of bigs who are always around the bucket. Adn the list of guys who shoot 40% from 3-PT range and hit 90% of their FT's is also pretty small. I would think only a couple of guys with meaningful FG and FT attempts finish at the 180 mark each season).
Matt's year in Philly prior to the trade, he shot 46%, 30%, 74%. Matt's 1st year in Utah, his best percentage-wise, was 51%, 41%, 79%. So not quite that elite "180" club, but close. Surprisingly, Stockton never accomplished that feat. He came close a couple a couple of times, but despite having great FG and 3-PT percentages, he was never elite from the FT line, with only an 82% career average. I figured Hornacek was the best bet to do it amongst Jazz players since he was one of the best FT shooters in the league. And I was right. His CAREER averages are 49.6%, 40.3%, 87.7% and he hit that 180-combined mark in several seasons.
For a SF, I'd say 45% FG, 35% 3-PT and 80% FT's is a pretty good target. And that's about right where Marvin's career averages sit (3-PT avg is a bit below, but he's shown good improvement over the past 3 years). Then throw in the fact he's known as a decent defender.
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theNBAnerd
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i still don't understand the assumption that marvin will get more shots with the jazz. the way i see it, in the halfcourt he's going to be a fifth option behind mo, hayward and whichever two of jefferson/sap/fave are still around in november and starting.
now, in the open court, he could be fun to watch. he and hayward running the wings on a 3-on-2 presents some possibilities. too bad we no longer have a real point guard to get them the ball.
now, in the open court, he could be fun to watch. he and hayward running the wings on a 3-on-2 presents some possibilities. too bad we no longer have a real point guard to get them the ball.
NAOS
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I've never made an argument that he'll get more shots.
I think we can positively change the way he takes and makes his shots.
He could take the same number and get to 13ppg. IMO.
CONAN
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Marvin Williams was just more valuable to the Jazz than Harris after the MoWill trade. A little risk given the extra year but the Jazz can't be too picky anyway. So KOC and Jazz system versus Marvin's flat career trajectory so far. We'll see.
But to me the biggest thing is this give Hayward more minutes at SG versus SF. That is a huge plus.
Right?
But to me the biggest thing is this give Hayward more minutes at SG versus SF. That is a huge plus.
Right?
Stifle Tower
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Yep, don't believe anything unless you read about it on bleacherreport.
carolinajazz
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....I thought the Jazz offense was predicated on who's open will get the shots, not some set pattern of guys who THINK they are open! We move the ball around, set screens and picks, and whomever is open takes the wide open highest percentage shot! Ain't that the way basketball is suppose to be played???