Jazz V Spurs II Why a back to back with the same team only Stern knows

[sgjazzfan]

I'm sure I'm about to get berate because of what I'm about to say, but oh well. It is beyond me how some of you people think that it's perfectly acceptable to "tank" this season away so we get the lottery pick. I would have to guess that the people that think that's acceptable didn't play sports EVER! If you did I dang sure wouldn't have wanted you on my team. I want to win. I want to win today, tomorrow, two years from now. I get the fact that we aren't going to win the West or win it all. However, we have a very young team that is trying to grow up. Hence the ups and downs we've experienced over this year. I'm a firm believer we can build with what we have. I know we are missing a piece or two to make this a complete team. I also think that a trip to the playoffs would help this team more than some maybe even most on this board believe. I'm just glad to know our players don't think like some of you do.
Rant over.

Because the Jazz aren't very good right now, and they won't do anything in the playoffs, I don't really want them to make the playoffs. I don't understand how you can want them to make the playoffs and get killed, rather than get young talent. How is that a bad thing?

 

[Brown Notes]

These games over the last stretch are almost as good as playoff games against certain teams. Tonight was a good example of playing against a team that fought like it was a playoff game from start to finish. I don't think Pops leaving their 3 behind was smack on us as much as it was to teach their young players what it takes to win when the chips are down. Fortunately for the Jazz it also showed a lot of our players what that's all about. Al, and the young guys don't get that yet aside from Hayward. It looked in the 4th like they were beginning to.

All that being said it sucks that Utah is so bad executing that they had to rely on a huge, almost shades of Deron performance from Harris against a team that was overplaying Al that hard.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

My point is even if the Jazz win but struggles to do so .. which is exactly what happened ... the Jazz does not deserve to be in the playoffs.

I am all for playoff experience but with the lineup that the Jazz have and the way they are playing, it might be better if they instead draft a good player.

You don't understand what I'm saying! A win is a win. By your logic since we beat OKC they don't deserve to be in the playoffs. We've both beaten good teams, and lost to bad teams. You can say this about every team in the NBA. Your logic is flawed.

We have fantastic players on this team most are very young and still learning how to play in the NBA. Don't you think they will get better we will be a better team next year because of experience. The playoffs will only exceleratetheir development of these guys as a team and as individual players.

We have plenty of good players on this team, the only problem is most of them are young and unexperienced. It's not like there's a lack of talent on this team.

 

[Brown Notes]

I would also add this was maybe the worst officiated game I have seen all year. There was zero star power on the other side yet those guys were allowed to do a ton of things our team was not.

Bonner crying like a little girl and crumpling to the ground like he'd just been shot after Kanter made a perfectly legal and common basketball move to get space INSIDE the circle draws an offensive foul. Typical of the game.

 

[sgjazzfan]

You don't understand what I'm saying! A win is a win. By your logic since we beat OKC they don't deserve to be in the playoffs. We've both beaten good teams, and lost to bad teams. You can say this about every team in the NBA. Your logic is flawed.

We have fantastic players on this team most are very young and still learning how to play in the NBA. Don't you think they will get better we will be a better team next year because of experience. The playoffs will only exceleratetheir development of these guys as a team and as individual players.

We have plenty of good players on this team, the only problem is most of them are young and unexperienced. It's not like there's a lack of talent on this team.

Yeah, so why should we want more talent?

 

[JazzFanNBama]

Because the Jazz aren't very good right now, and they won't do anything in the playoffs, I don't really want them to make the playoffs. I don't understand how you can want them to make the playoffs and get killed, rather than get young talent. How is that a bad thing?

I never said it was a bad thing! Don't try to make your point by putting words in my mouth. My point was we can use the playoff experience to our advantage. We have an infinite amount of "young talent" on our team. I don't understand how you think the playoffs wouldn't be good for us. Are the Rockets or the Grizzlies going to win in the playoffs? What about Phoenix? By your logic they should just pack it in as well and just start losing to get some "young talent". What a joke the NBA would become if everybody used your logic.

 

[Deleted member 365]

You don't understand what I'm saying! A win is a win. By your logic since we beat OKC they don't deserve to be in the playoffs. We've both beaten good teams, and lost to bad teams. You can say this about every team in the NBA. Your logic is flawed.

We have fantastic players on this team most are very young and still learning how to play in the NBA. Don't you think they will get better we will be a better team next year because of experience. The playoffs will only exceleratetheir development of these guys as a team and as individual players.

We have plenty of good players on this team, the only problem is most of them are young and unexperienced. It's not like there's a lack of talent on this team.

It's funny to see you insult other people's logic when you absolutely have none.

We barely beat a Spurs team at home without their 3 best players. That would be like barely beating LA without Kobe, Bynum, and Gasol... Or OKC without Durant, Westbrook, or Harden... Or Miami without the Queen, Flash, or Bosh.

What makes you think that a series with a fully healthy and determined Spurs team will be competitive? Or (any) of the top playoff teams?

I guess it comes down to this...

Is getting swept out of the playoffs in games that probably aren't even going to be very close to watch Jefferson, Millsap, and harris play 40+ worth sacrificing 2 lotto picks?

I think most fans realize that this team, especially now that they're suffering injuries, needs more talent than anything. Even the "experience" that they will gain by quickly exiting the playoffs, how truly valuable is it? Especially if they're blowouts?

Now how valuable are two lotto picks? Especially for a team that doesn't attract (any) free agents?

So continue to blast other people's logic, but at least they're USING some logic. Unlike you.

 

[Brown Notes]

I never said it was a bad thing! Don't try to make your point by putting words in my mouth. My point was we can use the playoff experience to our advantage. We have an infinite amount of "young talent" on our team. I don't understand how you think the playoffs wouldn't be good for us. Are the Rockets or the Grizzlies going to win in the playoffs? What about Phoenix? By your logic they should just pack it in as well and just start losing to get some "young talent". What a joke the NBA would become if everybody used your logic.

Actually a lot of teams do. Look around the league in any year there is a strong draft and you will see teams putting on a tanking clinic like GS is. Trade for a guy that is out for the season, then IR your best remaining player. Hire Mark Jackson who will start Jeremy Tyler. Those guys are incredible yet don't hold a candle to MJ who isn't even trying to lose. It's amazing how Mike can be the best his whole life. Greatest basketball player and now the greatest tanker the world has ever seen since Isaiah Thomas. Man that guy was good at getting his team to suck.

 

[zbone]

I would be all pro-playoffs if we had Favors and Burks playing 20+ minutes and Kanter playing 15+ minutes there. Even if it turns out to be a brutal sweep. Otherwise, there is zero real playoff experience for them to gain.

 

[Ellipse]

Let's make sure everyone understands what Popovich did tonight: He did everything he could to assure his team at least a 2nd round series. He WANTS the Jazz in the playoffs as his first round opponent, so he put this game on a silver platter and begged the Jazz to take it.

 

[JazzFanNBama]

Actually a lot of teams do. Look around the league in any year there is a strong draft and you will see teams putting on a tanking clinic like GS is. Trade for a guy that is out for the season, then IR your best remaining player. Hire Mark Jackson who will start Jeremy Tyler. Those guys are incredible yet don't hold a candle to MJ who isn't even trying to lose. It's amazing how Mike can be the best his whole life. Greatest basketball player and now the greatest tanker the world has ever seen since Isaiah Thomas. Man that guy was good at getting his team to suck.

I'll just say this......... Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I'm not even saying that I'm right. I'll guarantee you one thing, I'll still be that guy jumping up and down yelling at the TV in my living room 2k miles away from SLC when we're down 3 games to none and losing by 25 in the 4th game glad that my UTAH JAZZ left everything on the court in the 2011-12 season. That's all I'll ever ask of those guys. Heck that's all anyone can ask.

 

[Brown Notes]

Let's make sure everyone understands what Popovich did tonight: He did everything he could to assure his team at least a 2nd round series. He WANTS the Jazz in the playoffs as his first round opponent, so he put this game on a silver platter and begged the Jazz to take it.

Pops is good but even he can't guarantee Utah will win beyond tonight. Also he had those guys playing like they owed him money tonight. I seriously doubt Pops was trying to lose, rather was the victim of some hubris.