Jazz vs Lakers - Why the Jazz need to lose.
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Data pluck lolzz.
Let's go by championships:
Michael Jordan, #3 pick, 7 championships. Hawkeem Olajuwon was the #1 that year. That top 3 draft class won every championship from 1990 to 1998.
1998-99 San Antonio Spurs Duncan #1 pick
1999-00 Los Angeles Lakers Shaq #1 pick
2000-01 Los Angeles Lakers Shaq #1 pick
2001-02 Los Angeles Lakers Shaq #1 pick
2002-03 San Antonio Spurs Duncan #1 pick
2003-04 Detroit Pistons Billups #3, Wallace #4,
2004-05 San Antonio Spurs Duncan #1 pick
2005-06 Miami Heat Shaq #1 pick, Wade should have gone 4th.
2006-07 San Antonio Spurs Duncan #1 pick
2007-08 Boston Celtics Exception, but two #5 picks (Allen, Garnett), and Pierce was 10th.
2008-09 Los Angeles Lakers Pau Gasol #3 pick
2009-10 Los Angeles Lakers Pau Gasol #3 pick
2010-11 Dallas Mavericks Tyson Chandler #2 pick, Jason Kidd #2 pick
There is a one year exception over the last 21.
This only illustrates payoff if you happen to get a "that guy". Not the chances of getting "that guy".
My money is on the Jazz needing 5 3/4 #3 picks
Yes great plan. We have 2 #3 picks and 2 top ten picks in the last couple drafts. The best way to develop them is to let them play a lot but not at their best so we lose every game in hopes of a high pick. Hopefully we can break them of their confidence and any good habits they have so we can combine them with 1 more top ten pick and then suddenly we will be champions. I think we could sign Adam Morrison to give us another top 3 pick as well.
green
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First, I don't buy this "culture of losing" crap. You can have a team with 100+ years of losing, and when you get "that" guy, you have lost that culture. Durant lost his first two years, and that didn't hurt him. It took Jordan a couple years. Orlando was horrible until they drafted Shaq and Penny, then later on Howard. And so on. Culture of losing is a fallacy. If you have hard workers AND talent, you will win, no matter how many years you lost before.
green
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Your whole argument is that the Jazz should be happy with finishing in the 4-6 spot every year and getting bounced from the first round of the playoffs. Do you work for the Jazz?
Sure, Utah's chances of getting that guy who will win titles with a top 3 pick is slim. You said 10%. What is Utah's chances with the 9th pick? Less than 1%? Hayward is leading this team anytime soon. Neither is Favors, Kanter, Howard, Jefferson, Millsap, etc. We don't have that guy. We won't get that guy through free agency (unless somehow Deron comes back). A top 3 pick is the only realistic way the Jazz have a shot at a title.
You can be happy with NBA mediocrity. I want titles.
green
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We need one Jordan, Duncan, Rose, Howard, Kobe, etc. Our top three picks ain't those guys.
green
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Signed, Oklahoma City Thunder. Getting all those top 5 picks really hurt them. I don't buy this crap at all.
green
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Amen. Why not pad the talent, hedge your bets this year? Why not add two top 10 picks, and quite possibly a top 3 pick in supposedly the deepest draft? Why are LA and Chi the only teams that can have multiple top 10 picks on their team? Why does Utah always have to be a bunch of scrappers, that fight hard but lose?
I want better. Let's get better.