Jazz want Sap?

[green]

David West got extended at $12 mil/year (3 years for $36 mil.). Millsap ought to be in the $10 - $12 mil range too.

David West was veteran leadership and hustle on a team that needed him to do that. Millsap was **** leadership and no hustle on a team that DESPERATELY needed him to provide those things. Let the guy walk. Let someone else overpay him.

 

[Stoked]

David West was veteran leadership and hustle on a team that needed him to do that. Millsap was **** leadership and no hustle on a team that DESPERATELY needed him to provide those things. Let the guy walk. Let someone else overpay him.

Millsap provided several years of leadership, heart, hustle and fight. Only since Big Al came has he faltered.

 

[franklin]

SO they told him to go out and test the market. Likely means he was asking for a huge raise. This is a lose-lose. Millsap will come back, having seen he can't get anywhere near what he expected. Might sign with Utah as a last resort, then his attitude will suck because he's unhappy with his salary.

Tell me you write scripts for daytime soap operas. Wasting your talents if not.

 

[Doublea]

I was just thinking what if Millsap was fed up with Big Al. I wouldn't mind Millsap being back for the right price.

 

[Tarkanian]

I... Millsap has a better outside shot and ...

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I tend to disagree for EK has been allowed to take the shots he may actually bury.
I believe that Kanter could surpass Mansap in this department, as well!

 

[DutchJazzer]

Millsap provided several years of leadership, heart, hustle and fight. Only since Big Al came has he faltered.

ofcourse.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Millsap provided several years of leadership, heart, hustle and fight. Only since Big Al came has he faltered.

I know this starts down a road of excuse-making to some extent, but I agree.

 

[franklin]

Millsap provided several years of leadership, heart, hustle and fight. Only since Big Al came has he faltered.

Stats & context say otherwise. Millsap was a stud playing with D-Will facilitating one of the most efficient offenses in the league. His PER barely dropped when he had to play with Mo-Watson-Tinsley, and potty train Gordon Hayward on the P-n-R. Of course his numbers went down when a) Jefferson can't play the high-low game to save his life, b) Hayward couldn't run weak side p-n-r worth a damn early on, yet Sap had to teach him regardless, and c)Watson and Tinsley couldn't do jack squat besides dump it in to Jefferson or shoot an uncontested 3 to the tune of 16fg%.

https://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics

Look at that ****. Millsap is a top 30 PER and we're treating him like **** for dropping to 19.89 with Earl Tinsley from 21.85 running with Harris? Dude was only 19.83 with Williams in 2010-11, and didn't even crack the top 50 in 2009-2010.

--Millsap's assists/36 have gone up every single year.
--Millsap shot 5.4 FTA/game vs. 4.4 the prior season.
--Millsap's rebounding went up per 36 minutes last year over his final year playing with Williams.

How is this not stepping up taking a larger role leading by example in spite of his minutes being reduced and put in horrible offensive situations due to Jefferson and lawn chair point guards?

 

[Jazz4ever]

David West got extended at $12 mil/year (3 years for $36 mil.). Millsap ought to be in the $10 - $12 mil range too.

Yep, it's a good sign if your in the anti Millsap camp. He isn't quite as good as West but is 4 years younger.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Stats & context say otherwise. Millsap was a stud playing with D-Will facilitating one of the most efficient offenses in the league. His PER barely dropped when he had to play with Mo-Watson-Tinsley, and potty train Gordon Hayward on the P-n-R. Of course his numbers went down when a) Jefferson can't play the high-low game to save his life, b) Hayward couldn't run weak side p-n-r worth a damn early on, yet Sap had to teach him regardless, and c)Watson and Tinsley couldn't do jack squat besides dump it in to Jefferson or shoot an uncontested 3 to the tune of 16fg%.

https://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics

Look at that ****. Millsap is a top 30 PER and we're treating him like **** for dropping to 19.89 with Earl Tinsley from 21.85 running with Harris? Dude was only 19.83 with Williams in 2010-11, and didn't even crack the top 50 in 2009-2010.

--Millsap's assists/36 have gone up every single year.
--Millsap shot 5.4 FTA/game vs. 4.4 the prior season.
--Millsap's rebounding went up per 36 minutes last year over his final year playing with Williams.

How is this not stepping up taking a larger role leading by example in spite of his minutes being reduced and put in horrible offensive situations due to Jefferson and lawn chair point guards?

I may be wrong, but I think the point he was making was his general on-court demeanor which I would agree has regressed (but I also don't blame him a whole lot for).

 

[Stoked]

Stats & context say otherwise. Millsap was a stud playing with D-Will facilitating one of the most efficient offenses in the league. His PER barely dropped when he had to play with Mo-Watson-Tinsley, and potty train Gordon Hayward on the P-n-R. Of course his numbers went down when a) Jefferson can't play the high-low game to save his life, b) Hayward couldn't run weak side p-n-r worth a damn early on, yet Sap had to teach him regardless, and c)Watson and Tinsley couldn't do jack squat besides dump it in to Jefferson or shoot an uncontested 3 to the tune of 16fg%.

https://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics

Look at that ****. Millsap is a top 30 PER and we're treating him like **** for dropping to 19.89 with Earl Tinsley from 21.85 running with Harris? Dude was only 19.83 with Williams in 2010-11, and didn't even crack the top 50 in 2009-2010.

--Millsap's assists/36 have gone up every single year.
--Millsap shot 5.4 FTA/game vs. 4.4 the prior season.
--Millsap's rebounding went up per 36 minutes last year over his final year playing with Williams.

How is this not stepping up taking a larger role leading by example in spite of his minutes being reduced and put in horrible offensive situations due to Jefferson and lawn chair point guards?

Fight, hustle, heart and leadership are not on a stat sheet. If you want to argue with me at least make it relate to what I said.

 

[franklin]

I may be wrong, but I think the point he was making was his general on-court demeanor which I would agree has regressed (but I also don't blame him a whole lot for).

Sure, but why should he be pumped to get every rebound with the following setup that basically negates all the body killing effort he might put into losing a rebound?

Ya, I saw him slumping here or there too, but so did everyone else who got stuck in plays that Jefferson-Tinsley-Watson meant were non-starters for everyone else. I also saw him pounding down low play after play after play for Jefferson to put up empty stats. Kid has earned my respect and gets the benefit of the doubt for not putting it all on the line 100% of the time. Nobody does in the NBA anyway, and Sap deserves to pick his spots as much as anyone.