Jazz were -16 with Favors
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fishonjazz
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I dont really care if favors was -16.... play him anyway.
Was jefferson or millsap a + tonight? I dont think so.
Favors needs more minutes regardless.... he is our 20 year old most likely future of the francise.
Was jefferson or millsap a + tonight? I dont think so.
Favors needs more minutes regardless.... he is our 20 year old most likely future of the francise.
Fishsticks
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Go back to bed and sleep it off you lush.
Time to cut favors and give all his PT to Raja Bell. The kid obviously has zero talent and will amount to nothing.
Coach needs to see who has real talent and let them play, even if they are young and mistake prone. For every mistake Favors makes, he makes an awesome play that no one else on the team can duplicate. He needs 30 mpg, night in and night out.
Coach needs to see who has real talent and let them play, even if they are young and mistake prone. For every mistake Favors makes, he makes an awesome play that no one else on the team can duplicate. He needs 30 mpg, night in and night out.
The Thriller
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Favors is for sure the biggest problem on this team.
I say we give his PT to CJ, Raja, and Jefferson.
Championship if Ty would only open his eyes and play these 3 more...
I say we give his PT to CJ, Raja, and Jefferson.
Championship if Ty would only open his eyes and play these 3 more...
BluesRocker
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The +/- stat is so overrated. You do know that there is 4 other players on the court at the same time right? You aren't very smart. Try using your eye balls to judge a game. All stats are a waste of time.
I didn't have much respect for you before, but now I really don't.
Why don't you and David locke go make out on a bed of stat sheets.
I didn't have much respect for you before, but now I really don't.
Why don't you and David locke go make out on a bed of stat sheets.
freakazoid
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Good point. It's time our bigs learned to defend the 3. I have to blame Big Al the most. Our other bigs see him not guarding three pointers, and they think they're not supposed to either. And when Al doesn't guard the three, it makes our shooters suck on offense for some reason. Pretty much everything is Al's fault. If only Al and Bell weren't playing, I just know we'd be a playoff team.
Corbin is making plenty of mistakes, but you can't fix ugly. There's not a coach on this planet that is going to do much with this team. Probably a good idea to give him a decent roster befere passing judgement.
Wow - are you serious? This point is so flawed I won't even attempt to counter.
You're on the money with this one.
freakazoid
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Oh, no, please do. I'd love to hear how another coach could turn poop into gold. Fairy tales always make me sleepy, and I could use a nap.
MVP
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We have a saying - you can't squeeze cottage cheese from ****. So you are absolutely right. Give this team to Phil Jackson and what is going to happen? We would win 5-7 game more? would that make you all happier winning 30 games instead of 23-25? Remember it would give us lesser draft pick! So let Tyron lose more games, it will get his *** fired next year and we will have better chance of future superstar in the draft.
DutchJazzer
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+/- stat is as usefull as farts per game stat(actual real life farts/game)
I can take a bed of stat sheets on that fishing trip.
Oh please do. I'd love to hear nothing more than your counter argument. It shouldn't take you much effort at all too, since it's so air tight and all.
freakazoid
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Farts per game is actually a really useful stat. Jeremy Evans leads this category. It's how he gets his mad hops.
OTOH, Bell hasn't farted in years, but for some reason, still manages to stink the most.
That's exactly why I'm not gonna bother.
InGameStrategy
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Before you call out individual posters on a narrowly focused argument like yours, you might want to make sure you can back up the gist of it.
Other JazzFanz have done a good job in putting your argument in its place already.
But maybe, just maybe, you (and more importantly, the coaching staff) might consider analyzing Favors' court time. The key message here for Corbin is that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting the same results. The 2nd quarter should've taught Corbin that Favors-Kanter isn't particularly effective (although it did work vs. weaker Philly big men). Not sure if Millsap was injured, but Kanter shouldn't have played alongside Favors again in the third quarter if they could afford it when Jefferson got in foul trouble. And more importantly, the perimeter defense was killing the Jazz--and did so for most of the game.
1st quarter, 5:28 to 0:00: (Harris/Watson)-(Bell/Howard)-(Hayward/Miles)-(Jefferson/Kanter)-Favors. In other words, every other position turned over, and the team managed to go from 13-6 deficit to 23-18 deficit, thus possibly calling into question the value of a "tight" rotation with minimized substitutions. Net +/-: +2.
2nd quarter, 12:00 to 6:22: Watson-CJ-Howard-(Kanter/Jefferson)-Favors. Ginobili made three treys and another FG; Bonner chipped in another trey. Some JazzFanz (including myself) have expressed skepticism about playing DF and EK together. But the big problem here was playing Howard and CJ together; Miles is a lazy defender, and I don't buy Howard's D yet, despite his reputation. Corbin is partially to blame for this (for not enforcing the 3-point defense and for playing two youngins simultaneously). Yet low or no Spurs points were scored inside. Jazz go from 23-18 to 42-28. Net +/-: -9.
3rd quarter, 6:39 to 0:00: (Harris/Watson)-(Bell/Howard)-(Miles/Hayward)-(Jefferson/Kanter)-Favors. Jefferson scores nothing and picks up two fouls before going out at 4:48. Kanter scores 1 FT; Favors scores nothing. If Millsap was avaialble, I would've preferred him alongside Favors instead of Kanter (based on the 2nd quarter experience); hopefully an astute coach would pick up on that. Utah goes from 63-48 to 83-60 (-1 with Jefferson-Favors; -7 with Kanter-Favors). Net +/-: -8.
4th quarter, 12:00 to 9:52: Watson-Howard-Hayward-Jefferson-Favors. Anderson scores a trey; Blair scores a layup and draws the foul from Hayward. Favors took no shots. UJ goes from a 83-60 deficit to 88-62. Net +/-: -3 (-4 with the and-1).
4th quarter, 3:00 to 0:00: Tinsley-(Hayward/Burks)-(Howard/Evans)-Favors-Kanter. Kanter had 1 FG and 2 FTs; Favors had 2 FTs. Splitter had a reverse layup and a jump shot (thanks to a Favors defensive goaltend). Utah went from 97-79 deficit to 104-89. Net +/-: +3.
Yeah. Coach, you have exactly one quarter to figure out whether Favors-Kanter works on that given night. Go.
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