Jazzfanz Mock Draft 2015: Pick #12

[Jeffrey32]

Safe pick is "Frank the Bank" as he fits perfectly into a three-man big rotation with Favors and Gobert and can play right away, but if Turner slips to #12, he becomes tough to pass up as his ceiling is so high. At #12, especially with the youth foundation the Jazz already have, they can take a risk because the pay off would be huge. Supposedly Turner interviewed very well and is a good character guy, which is always important to Utah. He had a very inconsistent season with a poor showings in his last eight games. Not sure if it was injury (which is a concern for him) or other. He is an 84% free throw shooter, which is huge for a 7-footer. If Utah passes and takes Frank or someone else, I think PHX or OKC jump on Turner immediately. I'd be happy with either pick, but Frank's ceiling is probably Ryan Anderson or Okur and Turner's is Aldridge with better defense and Rasheed Wallace witha better attitude.

 

[Jeffrey32]

Here is the knock on Kaminsky for me. He is a senior, so largely what you see is what you get. I know players develop beyond that, but the real knock is he doesn't have the athletic chops to stand in the NBA. I think he will get repeatedly rolled on defense but faster stronger players. He has a nice offensive game, but I also think against elite defense that will drop off, and since he doesn't have the physical tools to overcome that he will get squashed. I am probably wrong about all this, but that is how I see it. He has a lot of the same downsides as Morrison, and same upsides as well.

I never understand the "senior" knock as up until around 10 years ago most players, especially those in the 80s and 90s who are considered many of the greatest ever, were all juniors and seniors when entering the NBA and most of them improved over their careers. Are you telling me that Karl Malone who came in as a junior didn't improve from his rookie season?

 

[LogGrad98]

The way I see it regardless of who we draft we are drafting a bench player therefor he won't be playing against elite defenders.

Memo
Dirk
Anderson
Kanter
Gasol bros

Just to name a few of those who don't or didn't rely on great athletic ability. Fact is Kaminsky has an elite offensive skill set that adds a new dimension to the Jazz that allows us to be even harder to defend not to mention his will to win and bball IQ.

Why Kaminsky's lack of athletic ability isn't a liability.

Great footwork
At 7-1 has great mobility
Very quick shot
Great handles, great face up game can shoot over the top of defenders
Has a variety of moves in the post.
Great passer in the post
Great IQ

I never understand the "senior" knock as up until around 10 years ago most players, especially those in the 80s and 90s who are considered many of the greatest ever, were all juniors and seniors when entering the NBA and most of them improved over their careers. Are you telling me that Karl Malone who came in as a junior didn't improve from his rookie season?

You all are seriously comparing a guy who would probably be a 20+ pick in a stronger draft to Malone, Dirk, and the Gasol brothers?


Oooookay.

Enjoy the koolaid.

 

[silesian]

I never understand the "senior" knock as up until around 10 years ago most players, especially those in the 80s and 90s who are considered many of the greatest ever, were all juniors and seniors when entering the NBA and most of them improved over their careers. Are you telling me that Karl Malone who came in as a junior didn't improve from his rookie season?

World is completely different from 10 years ago. Karl Malone and the all-time greats from the 80s and 90s would be in draft after freshman season.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

You all are seriously comparing a guy who would probably be a 20+ pick in a stronger draft to Malone, Dirk, and the Gasol brothers?


Oooookay.

Enjoy the koolaid.

I didn't compare him to anyone. Just showing that bigs don't need to be athletic to succeed in the NBA


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[Thee Jazz Fan]

You all are seriously comparing a guy who would probably be a 20+ pick in a stronger draft to Malone, Dirk, and the Gasol brothers?


Oooookay.

Enjoy the koolaid.

Did u even read mine and Jeffery's posts or did u just see the names and came to your own conclusions?


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[Doublea]

Come on guys. Turner is the obvious pick. The jazz like defense and scoring and that's what he provides! I would be pretty disappointed if we passed on Turner to pick frank. He has the highest ceiling of players left and could even be in the top 5 of the draft.

 

[Nate505]

Turner, Frank, or Portis are all fine with me. They all bring positives to the table, in theory anyway.

 

[Doublea]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su-ZKumkQtQ&spfreload=10

All right, I like Frank too.

Frank or Turner would be great for us.

 

[LogGrad98]

Did u even read mine and Jeffery's posts or did u just see the names and came to your own conclusions?


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I read them both, but the core of the argument was that he will develop like Malone, Dirk and the Gasols, otherwise why use them as examples? If that is what you think he will turn into you have been drinking the koolaid. No one is saying he CAN'T develop. I am saying that he likely WON'T turn into one of those guys. If that is what you are banking on, well yikes. And if all you are looking for is a backup then why not trade the pick and go for a backup that is already past their breaking-in period and can help NOW, and not in 3-5 years?

 

[Revolution 9]

We really need a C, and Frank sees himself in that video as a stretch 4. I see where Turner might entice the Jazz FO as a back up to Gobert. We'd have shot blocking, and rim protection at all times. The question is how do Turner and Booker fit together?

 

[Tony]

Sam Dekkar you fools!

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

I read them both, but the core of the argument was that he will develop like Malone, Dirk and the Gasols, otherwise why use them as examples? If that is what you think he will turn into you have been drinking the koolaid. No one is saying he CAN'T develop. I am saying that he likely WON'T turn into one of those guys. If that is what you are banking on, well yikes. And if all you are looking for is a backup then why not trade the pick and go for a backup that is already past their breaking-in period and can help NOW, and not in 3-5 years?

Using them as examples as they were able to be fine without much athletic ability never did I say he was going to be as good or play like him though they do have similar skill sets to degrees


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[Thee Jazz Fan]

Also similar body types with Pou and Dirk when they came into the league


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[Jazz4ever]

I read them both, but the core of the argument was that he will develop like Malone, Dirk and the Gasols, otherwise why use them as examples? If that is what you think he will turn into you have been drinking the koolaid. No one is saying he CAN'T develop. I am saying that he likely WON'T turn into one of those guys. If that is what you are banking on, well yikes. And if all you are looking for is a backup then why not trade the pick and go for a backup that is already past their breaking-in period and can help NOW, and not in 3-5 years?

Trading the pick is a cop out. One or two of these guys will be very good, at least starter quality. The Jazz spend a lot of money scouting and in player development, to trade the pick is essentially throwing all that work away.

 

[Doublea]

Sam Dekkar you fools!

Barf.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

So I went with Portis, mostly because I think there's a good chance Frank is gone before 12 anyway.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Portis seems a little crazy to me. I could see the Jazz shying away from that.

I could see this. He's overdoing the whole---I get angry by imagining someone's hitting my mom---thing in his interviews.

 

[Jazz4ever]

I could see this. He's overdoing the whole---I get angry by imagining someone's hitting my mom---thing in his interviews.

Yeah, its a bit silly to try and apply it to basketball. It worked for Adam Sandler though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjJSk9tmduA

 

[NAOS]

I'm really not a fan of what I've seen of Turner. He seems to do well only in those areas in which he has natural gifts; and seems to struggle to make an impact in many subtle aspects of the game. He also looks like injury.