Jazzfanz: Racist, Sexist, Anti-gay remarks Ok. Swears and All Caps Not Ok.
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and yes, it was not a mute point, it was intentional
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Yes, all the time. You know nothing about my upbringing btw,
How about you, you able to separate your "upbringing" from any conversation you have?
By the way, you carry the baggage of society with you in every conversation you have? If your daughter asks you a question do you ask yourself what society meant by the question they forced your daughter to ask you by their huge pressures... and by "society" I mean "white men"? Do you even think about what your daughter actually meant by the question or do you jump right into the implied question by society? Is it even possible for you to have a meaningful conversation between another person without the spectre of society looming over your head?
Just curio
I agree. That pressure exists is not infantilization, it's that the pressure on women includes infantilization.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWdLt3Afjrg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iyv905Q2omU
If you think I'm really off base, I'm listening.
I was asking you a simple, direct question about whether you ever come to any understandings or preferences, based on evidence, that you would prefer to not hold. Maybe you don't, and in your world everything you want to believe is actually true; you've talked often enough about how people only see what they want to see. Maybe you do. Pretending that I was asking about my views is intellectual cowardice.
Here, you can't even be honest enough to acknowledged that you changed this quote as well, nor to think I could be outraged on my own gender's behalf for the behaviors of member of my own gender. Why do you think that's not possible?
I'm more than 99.9% sure you are a human, raised by humans, around other human families. That's all I need for this particular point.
Of course I carry around all of the positives and negatives I learned from my language, parents, friends, teachers, various priests and nuns, etc., and they form part of every conversation I have. The notion that a human can have some sort of objective point of view, separate from everything they have experienced, is a fantasy. I don't even know how you could have a meaningful conversation without all sorts of background knowledge and assumptions being built in. How would one go? Can you offer an example?
As for my daughters, it depends on the daughter and the conversation. If they are asking what a condom is used for, they get a simple answer. If they are asking about how to talk to a boy, I'll include a little more of society's expectations, and how to circumvent some of them, should they so choose.
QuinSnydersHair
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I agree. That's not what you said though, but that's not even the point.
Listen, I have little objection to what was said in this thread but your blanket statement pages ago in post #70 (which is why I first posted here) is one of them and quite frankly, hilariously ironic coming from you, Judge, Jury and Executioner.
You can't have it both ways. You can't sit high upon your perch and call out all those who misspeak and make blanket statements about entire groups of people and then do the same. Much of what you've said here is true but it would be nice for OneBrow the Omniscient to admit he misspoke, did the same, and hasn't a clue about how the far majority of women in this world feel.
I'm not holding my breath, though.
Can SOMEBODY please explain to me what exactly this is?
Or I WILL have a temper tantrum.
Just like a two-year old...
1- It was not a simple direct question, it was a pompous manipulative question with a clear "right" and "wrong" answer, which I why I responded in kind.
2 - I very obviously doctored your first and second quotes. If you can't see it it's probably because society wouldn't let you see it, but don't blame me, blame society.
3- There you go with your 99.9% intellectual dishonesty again. If my upbringing was the same as everyone else it wouldn't matter and you wouldn't have brought it up.
4- The difference seems to be that "society" is the main focus of who you are and seems to be the main focal point and most important factor in all you do or say. For me my experiences have a part of my life, but I choose what to take from those experiences and I am who I am because of what I choose to be. I don't blame "society" for who I am and I try actually listen to understand a person when I communicate with them instead of taking what they say, and understanding their words based on what "society" generally means by similar statements. If I'm talking to a person I would rather understand them and what they mean and not what 90 out of 110 people probably mean when they say something similar. I would rather have a conversation with a person than with the ghost of 100 people that try to interpret what that person is saying for me.
Can SOMEBODY please explain to me what exactly this is?
Or I WILL have a temper tantrum.
Just like a two-year old...
I'm very tempted to tell you to stop crying... just to rile OB.
I'll wait for OB to speak for all... but in the meantime here is the basics.
Nate told someone to stop crying.
OB escalated this to saying Nate is infantilizing women by telling a poster to stop crying.
Then all of this broke loose.
Do you need more? If so... paging OB.